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    Posted: 11/12/06 at 6:14pm
Long story short, our CT board asked one of our directors to remove the f
bomb from PROOF. That's it, no other changes. Then the newspapers got a
hold of it, made a huge issue of it and raised the spectre of censorship, and
the director jumped ship to a smaller ct in the neighboring town. The
board's logic: 22 instances of the f bomb is too much for our conservative
community in one show. Ticket sales would drop, patrons would get up and
leave, our reputation would take a hit for vulgarity. PROOF brought to
Hollywood and the big screen was toned down to a PG-13 rating, why not do
the same? The director's logic: art trumps all. My question: if there is no
audience, is there art?

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bullet Posted: 11/12/06 at 6:29pm
Originally posted by VPA1

My question: if there is no
audience, is there art?


If you are asking specifically about theater........Theater without audience is a dress rehearsal.
Investigate. Imagine. Choose.
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bullet Posted: 11/12/06 at 8:19pm
Boom Boom - Cast me!
"Art for art sake is not true art"
Besides the legal aspects covered in the ?Changing profanity? thread.
With all that free media publicity I think the Board missed out on a gold brick opportunity.
Especially from the ultra conservatives, who I?m sure would have packed the season out or even extended it.
It?s not as though it was the first play they had done with the magic words in.
Also they would have at least proved one way or another, all their assumptions of what ?would? or ?could? happen &/or just how conservative the community really is?

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bullet Posted: 11/12/06 at 8:21pm

There may be art, but in community theatre how long can it last without an audience?

Did someone put the newspaper up to writing the article? The issue of sensorship aside it sounds as if someone was trying to cause trouble for your theatre.

 

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bullet Posted: 11/12/06 at 9:04pm
Sounds like there was a timing problem here. If the board approved the show, and wanted the f bombs taken out, then the director should have been aware of this since the beginning. Unless the board decided to ask for the removal mid production....(We all know that never happens)
I'd rather act, but they found out I can do tech & sets!!
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bullet Posted: 11/12/06 at 11:47pm

I?m personally sick and tired of CT boards approving plays and then changing the script to satisfy ?conservative? audiences. Unless the board received approval from the royalty house or the playwright - do the show as written or don?t consider doing it. Granted, the movie was different. David Auburn wrote the screenplay adaptation - so he was in control of HIS script. The original post in this thread doesn?t make it clear - but if the board approached the director after rehearsals began about changing the script - I applaud him or her for taking a stand and leaving the production. I personally find it completely pretentious on anyone?s part to think they know better than the playwright in what should be written. The ?f-bomb? really had no parallel to get dramatic points across. IF that?s what Auburn wanted - he wanted it for a reason in his stage play. He must have known what he was doing to win a Pulitzer and a Tony for the show. If CT boards are concerned about offending audiences - do Annie or You?re A Good Man Charlie Brown and save the ?racier? shows for more sophisticate audiences elsewhere.

Whether there is art without an audience - I don?t think the CT board actually gave the show a chance to prove if there would have been an audience or not. I think GAAFA is correct - the board missed out on actually answering this question for itself.

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bullet Posted: 11/13/06 at 12:06am


JSheilds, not to get personal, but I think equating the acceptance of "racier" shows with sophistication is rather short sighted. Any white trash person can drop an "F Bomb". I am sure there are lots of people who drop "F bombs" and wouldn't know a classic play or musical if it hit them over the head. Likewise, there are many sophisticated individuals who can name any musical, opera, or symphony in three notes or less and have never even picked up an "F Bomb" let alone dropped one.

 

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bullet Posted: 11/13/06 at 11:47am

I'm not talking about anyone's intelligence or socioeconomic conditions/status. And yes, any "white trash" person can drop an "F Bomb". But can they drop an "F Bomb" and win a Tony and a Pulitzer with it?

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bullet Posted: 11/13/06 at 1:58pm

Your initial post stated that:

The ?f-bomb? really had no parallel to get dramatic points across. IF that?s what Auburn wanted - he wanted it for a reason in his stage play. He must have known what he was doing to win a Pulitzer and a Tony for the show. If CT boards are concerned about offending audiences - do Annie or You?re A Good Man Charlie Brown and save the ?racier? shows for more sophisticate audiences elsewhere.

Insinuating that sophisticated audiences were the ones that would accept the "F Bombs" and the ones that didn't like the profanity were not sophisticated. My point is that "F-Bombs" have nothing to do with sophistication. As for winning the Pulitzer prize, I am sure he did not win BECAUSE of the language. Perhaps he won in spite of it.  

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bullet Posted: 11/13/06 at 2:08pm

For saying you don't want to "get personal" about this - you sure seem to be taking it personally...

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