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B-M-D
Celebrity Joined: 11/03/05 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 346 |
Posted: 1/30/07 at 10:52pm | |
I was speaking of the QUALITY of the show not necessarily the TYPE of show. I have no issue doing Neil Simon or anything else that might be considered less than an "artistic" challenge. I do have a problem doing Neil Simon crappily. If you're going to to a show, any show, do it well or not at all.
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"Dying is easy, comedy is hard." |
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eveharrington
Celebrity Joined: 8/28/06 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 198 |
Posted: 2/01/07 at 3:27am | |
I understand that your speaking about the quality of the show, I guess whats frustrating me is the idea that if your actors have jobs they aren't properly committed and we must be producing crap. The show I'm doing now had just enough people show up to auditions to fill each part, and they all have jobs and other commitments causing us to rehearse only three days a week and only one day a week where I have everyone the whole time. I have no intention of putting out crap, I intend to work my butt off in the situation I am in and make it great. A real director doesn't blame the commitment level of others when things go wrong. Ultimately I don't think we disagree on this BMD, I just found Falstaffs comment very arrogant and condescending.
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GoldCanyonLady
Celebrity Joined: 2/05/05 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 172 |
Posted: 2/01/07 at 9:10am | |
I have been following this dialog for some time and this morning, if one particular actor is late again, he is through.
We live in a senior community where people don't generally work, but they manage to keep very busy. Auditions for this play were done in March of 2006 and the rehearsal schedule was given in April. They had to sign that they had no other committments (cruises etc), but from the very first day of rehearsal (blocking act 1 scene 1) he didn't make it. He had something else to do. In the three weeks since we started rehearsing, he has been up to 1 hour late or just doesn't come for at least one of the three rehearsals each week. He has other meetings (he is a Lion and just got elected as vice president of his church) which he feels are more important. Last night he told me he would be late this morning because he had to attend a breakfast meeting with the pastor and president, but I happen to know that he was told he didn't have to attend the meeting. The president knew of the rehearsal schedule and told him not to bother with the meeting. He likes to play Mr. Important so playing the role of Vice President in the church is better that playing a character with only 40 lines. He has the smallest part in the play and our sound effects guy who has filled in each time he was either late or not there, will get the part. I figure that if they have the schedule so far in advance, there is no excuse for making other appointments at rehearsal time. We audition and give them books in the spring because many of our residents go north for the summer and don't return until after Christmas. I figure that when rehearsals start in January, I should have their undivided attention. |
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Barb Hofmeister,
MountainBrook Village Players, Gold Canyon, Arizona. |
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GoldCanyonLady
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Posted: 2/01/07 at 3:29pm | |
I am replying to my own message. He is gone. He did arrive on time. At the first break, as I walked back to the bathroom, I thanked him for being on time. He responded with, "I am very angry." I suggested that we go outside and talk about it. When I told him that I knew that he was told he didn't have to be at the meeting, he said that wasn't true. Then he said he would be taking other time off. At that point, I asked for his book and told him that he would no longer be in the play.
When I announced to the cast that he was finished, one actress tried to defend all of his meetings, but I wouldn't accept that---not with a rehearsal schedule in everyone's hand 9 months before rehearsals start. Then the lead actress said she supported my decision and we all returned to rehearsing. It will be fine. |
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Barb Hofmeister,
MountainBrook Village Players, Gold Canyon, Arizona. |
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POB14
Celebrity Joined: 7/01/05 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 349 |
Posted: 2/02/07 at 9:01am | |
Congratulations on sticking to your guns, and good luck with the production!
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POB
Old Bugger, Curmudgeon, and Antisocial B**tard |
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falstaff29
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Posted: 2/03/07 at 6:05pm | |
I have a real job. I work with lots of actors and directors who have real jobs. You can be committed to both. What I'm opposed to is actors or directors who aren't really interested in quality, the kind of director who won't drill a problem area, the kind of actor who schlumps through the scene, unaware that theater is a craft that only takes on meaning when it excels and can be appreciated by an audience for the work itself, and not simply for the patronizing fact that a friend has the courage to stand up on stage. This is a problem that, although it occasionally strikes a random actor or director in a well-organized outfit, is usually more basic to the group itself. A theater board chooses the image, the reputation, the work ethic, the tolerances of its group. Consequently, there are some that tend to treat theater seriously and some that, sadly, don't. I don't see theater as some casual recreational activity pursued for your own enjoyment and self-esteem; theater has audience who pays. Theater is a service to them, and consequently, it must always strive towards excellence.
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eveharrington
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Posted: 2/03/07 at 10:53pm | |
Ok, I've looked back over this post and I have come to the conclusion that I got randomly offended by an offhand comment and completely lost the focus of my argument. In other words I stopped making sense about three posts ago. Now that I've taken a more rational look at it, I'm not sure why I started arguing about it in the first place, since I'm in basic agreement that the audience deserves a certain level of commitment and it is irritating when someone doesn't recognize that. My only reasoning can be that I have been desperately trying to schedule the show I'm currently directing around the casts other commitments and it ain't going too well, so sorry everyone.
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Helena
Walk-On Joined: 1/23/07 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 0 |
Posted: 3/07/07 at 12:05pm | |
I work with a community theater in a relatively small town. We utilize a mixture of high school age and adult performers. All of us are volunteers. Some of us have formal training in various areas of production. Most of us are as professional in our approach to our productions as possible, and we try to teach our young actors to have the same attitude.
While as a director, I need to take into consideration (to a degree) some of the outside commitments people have when I schedule rehearsals, I also make it clear to the actors that at a certain point in production they need to make the show their priority.
I make it clear to the cast from the beginning what my responsibilites are as director, and what their's are as actor. I will warn people who miss too many rehearsals, and I have replaced people who have skipped too many rehearsals no matter what their excuses are. I owe that much to the rest of the cast and to the quality of the production as a whole.
If people can't make the time commitment, then they shouldn't be there. Period. It may be volunteer, but it's not just a fun time. It is an insult to the rest of the cast who make the time commitment to coddle along someone who doesn't.
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avcastner
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Posted: 5/20/07 at 12:28pm | |
I gave up scheduling around other commitments. Instead, I hand out the rehearsal schedule with the audition packet and contract. If they can't make all the rehearsals (only 3 days a week, so plenty of other days a week to schedule their other activities), then don't audition.
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B-M-D
Celebrity Joined: 11/03/05 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 346 |
Posted: 5/21/07 at 12:23pm | |
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I gave up scheduling around other commitments. Instead, I hand out the rehearsal schedule with the audition packet and contract. If they can't make all the rehearsals (only 3 days a week, so plenty of other days a week to schedule their other activities), then don't audition. [/QUOTE]
Philosophically I agree with you but in the real world of community theatre with real jobs and life in general, I think I'd be limiting my talent pool and would have made choices not as desirable if I didn't take schedualing conflicts into consideration. Should I not have cast an exceptionally talented and sought after actress simply because she happened to be a "soccer" mom and couldn't make rehearsals on certain evenings? Or an actor who was made for the role who happened to have a night or two of Army National Guard committments?
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BD
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