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mary051756
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Topic: General Set Construction Posted: 1/31/08 at 8:45am |
I work with a middle school putting on productions and I am just looking for some general information on how non-profits are doing their set construction - 30 years ago, when I first did this, we used muslin - last couple fo years - I used luan - just looking for general dimensions, materials, etc. That everyone is using now.
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oldactress
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Posted: 1/31/08 at 8:59am |
I wonder why muslin flats are no longer being used too. They were so much easier to handle than the wood ones most theatres use today. I work with several theatres and they all use luan. As does my husband's high school.
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MartyW
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Posted: 1/31/08 at 9:41am |
Ease to move and store does not necessarily equal easy of use for the set builder.. Muslin flats are easy to reuse as a standard wall section.. All though you can make the window, door, arch, bends, curves etc of an interesting set with muslin, it does become labor intensive and tends to ruin those "perm" flats you started out wanting to keep. Also, overtime, muslin looses its shape, tends to sag, wiggles more during door closings etc.. yes it can be "fixed" but there too comes more work for something that was intended to be permanent... Luan flats provide the same easy to erect straight wall sections, while allowing for smooth transition to onetime/specialty sections of a set design. They take paint well, are easy to stabalize, dont sag over time and should you need to put a hole in one, one only needs to remove the screws from the frame and throw on a new piece of wood to restore it it to its orignal condition. No stretching, sizing, stapling etc... I know LOTS of people still swear by muslin, but as one who builds anywhere from 3 to 10 sets a year, luan is by far the easier material to work with and provide variety with... One old set builders opinion....
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MartyW
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Posted: 1/31/08 at 10:23am |
As to your original question... Dimensions? A lot depends on your venue and what you wish to achieve... I have known some high arch theaters that like to use 12 foot or better on their height. Other smaller venues use only an eight foot height, which is enough to be representational… At my principal theater, our light batten is at 14 foot, so I typically build at 10 foot. (Although my most recent set went well beyond the batten to within a foot of our 21 foot ceiling..!) Anyway, once the height has been determined for YOUR standard flat, the next thing to decide is width. If working with luan, the best and easiest is obliviously four feet as that is the width of the sheet. If, however, you want to build a variety of flats to fit the vagaries of different set designs, the normal adjunct flats run in 1ft, 2ft and 3ft, all easily divisible from the standard sheet of luan. Again, you will most likely want more of the standard four foot flats than the fill in flats, but that is something you will most likely decide by experience over time, and dependent on you most popular styles of set design and the layout of your space. (A little different for everyone). With your standard stock you can do some mixing and matching as required. Let’s say you decide on an 8 foot high standard and for a particular section of the wall or on a particular set you would like to go to 10 foot. Often, you can just lay a 2 foot wide flat on its side across the top of your eight footer. You will also need to decide on door and window flats. They can be made up as a standard to be reused or they can be onetime units built to fill the space. We often scratch build these mostly for stability sake. Because stability is our goal, they are often framed with larger stock (2x4 etc) and that gets pretty heavy to haul around and keep together. And we often want extremely different window styles or certain types or dimensions doors on a particular set. With that being said, you have another decision to make before you can start building you flats do you want “Flat” flats or what some call “Hollywood” or “TV” flats. (I don’t know for a fact that the name comes from movie/TV set flats, but I assume so) A “Flat” flat is build much like the muslin ones you remember. Usually a frame of wood (I use 1x4’s) laid out to the dimension of your luan. Gussets of wood (usually plywood or even other pieces of luan) or metal L braces are often used in the corners to help it retain its shape. If making an 8 footer, then obviously, the luan height will not need to be added too, if taller, than a brace will be needed at the joint height. Personally, I have started using the “Hollywood” flat. It is a little harder to store, but it provides good connecting surfaces flat to flat as well as a good surface for connecting to the floor (or gives more stability to the flat on those occasions that when you can’t secure to the floor, like when I do my kid shows on the gym floor at the high school where I work) The basic design difference here is that the frame is made like a box vs. a picture frame in the basic flat flat format. The luan is attached to the thin side of the frame board and can (to some degree) stand on its own. If this was way too much information, sorry.. If you should have any questions feel free to ask.. Just remember I am only one builder and there are many variations to the concepts…
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Nanette
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Posted: 1/31/08 at 1:14pm |
We use muslin flats ... cost effective, and easier to move/store.
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MartyW
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Posted: 1/31/08 at 1:20pm |
As stated... easy to move easy to store... But to each their own..
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JoeMc
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Posted: 1/31/08 at 8:24pm |
When I started out, canvas only was used for flats & drops, but that was in the dark ages.
However along came TV & the use of otherr materials to achieve the same thing. Such as cardboad, particle board & sticky tape. Anything that was cheap & could be quickly assembled, for a gaff situation. A cross polination of the Picture & TV Industry started to creep into theatre useage. I noticed this back in the 60's, which I'm sure the advent of Rockn Roll caused revonlusionary changes to theatre technoligy across the board, with the use & availabilty of cheap inovotive material & products.
From about time there came about a push to use particle board, because it was easier & various reson for not using canvas, became prominent & preferable.
So this brought about the wider use of calico [muslin] because it was very cheap & as good as canvas. Possibly beacause of the weight, storage & handling factors, which became costly wnen labour costs for shows became a big worry. No longer was it viable to have large crews & it was more economical to have the performers utalised to move settings on stage.
In about the 90's I found incresling diffcult attempting to convince theatre groups, to use calico as an alternative to hard flats, which became the norm, even in proeatre. Possibly the net & forums like this, have brought about a swing to the resurgance of soft flats again?
May be it is part of a natural cyle, which could be as about as fancifull as a discription I heard once, of the term Cyclorama. Being a cycle for techies to ride about on back stage!
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MartyW
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Posted: 1/31/08 at 10:22pm |
In our area, In the five theaters I work in three are hard flat users and two still use primarily soft... thats why I started the poll in the poll section to see what the broader world is up to.. |
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Theatrestation
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Posted: 2/01/08 at 12:59am |
We've also moved to using luan in the last three or four years. Aside from the above mentioned benefits, once the luan is past it's useful life as a flat it can be cut for other uses such as signs, or coverings for smaller areas.
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mary051756
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Posted: 2/01/08 at 8:53am |
I am so happy I found this site! Thanks to all for your responses.
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