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Topic: The Dreaded Chorus Role...
Posted By: kaelidancer
Subject: The Dreaded Chorus Role...
Date Posted: 8/18/08 at 2:39pm
I'm directing Sweeney Todd, and just had round one of auditions last night.  Round two is tonight, and callbacks are Tuesday.  Unfortunately, I'm seeing a depressingly large number of people who are not interested in anything but a principal role, including some who are suiciding for a part (Sweeney or nothing, for example).

I'm anticipating that I may have to call some of our people who answered "No" to the 'Will you accept any role' question and bargain with them to fill out my ensemble.

I know why, I think... the recent movie cut out all of the ensemble parts, so no one sings except the principals... so I'm pretty sure that at least a few are unaware of how heavily the ensemble is used, not to mention the fact that they sing the coolest music in the show.

When it comes to those casting calls, how do you guys go about convincing the skeptical that a chorus role is just as awesome and fun as a principal? 



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Posted By: pdavis69
Date Posted: 8/18/08 at 3:34pm
"When it comes to those casting calls, how do you guys go about convincing the skeptical that a chorus role is just as awesome and fun as a principal?"
 
You don't.  When it comes to these people (and I have been one of them at points), they will not be happy with a chorus part, and you will have a grumpy chorus. 
 
My only suggestion would be to play the music of the chorus for the auditioners to show them the differences with the movie.  Show them the fun they could have.



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Patrick L. Davis
Fort Findlay Playhouse


Posted By: kaelidancer
Date Posted: 8/18/08 at 3:54pm
True enough, I certainly don't want a grumpy chorus.  Thanks for the reply :)


Posted By: jayzehr
Date Posted: 8/18/08 at 3:55pm
I agree, you don't want people in your show who are going to be unhappy right out of the gate. And in my experience anytime you have to "bargain" with people to get them to play a part you're setting yourself up for problems regarding power structure and authority. One way this can manifest is in attendence. Here's hoping you'll have a lot more people to choose from tonight.


Posted By: kaelidancer
Date Posted: 8/18/08 at 4:01pm
Your hopes are shared!  I'll be able to put together a cast one way or another, but of course I want the strongest singers I can get.. sadly, most of the people who are super-enthusiastic about the show are, to be blunt, not singers.  They'd be ecstatic in the chorus, but the difficulty of the material is going to be a pretty big hurdle.

Of course I'm overreacting a little.  I have some very, very good people who can carry the show themselves if needs be... but I'm a perfectionist, and I really want a full, balanced group for my ensemble :)


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Kaeli Gardner
Johnson City Community Theatre
http://www.jcct.us - www.jcct.us
http://www.gardnerarts.com - www.gardnerarts.com


Posted By: Nanette
Date Posted: 8/18/08 at 5:07pm
I no longer ask my actors to note on the audition form which role they're auditioning.  EVERYONE wanted the biggest, flashiest part. 
 
During the question/answer portion of my auditions I ask if they've (in fact) even read the script/book, what they're interested in, if they'd take a smaller role, if they'd play a male role (we're female heavy, like most CT's), etc. 


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In a world of margarine, be butter!


Posted By: chelserin
Date Posted: 8/18/08 at 5:36pm
As an actor I don't understand saying that you'd only take a lead role. And as a director, it's a big red flag that this person may not be a team player. I agree that it's better to go with people are enthusiastic but may need a bit more work than force someone into a role they may resent, which could effect the tone of the show.
 
Now, from the opposite side... I once had a director who said she wouldn't cast someone who had been a lead in a couple shows as part of the chorus because they would steel focus. All that star power or something. I never understood that one.


Posted By: drose
Date Posted: 8/18/08 at 8:43pm
I can totally understand accepting only a lead.  CT is a huge time committment.  Yes, many supporting and chorus roles are great fun, but sometimes its just not worth the time, especially if a show coming up is also enticing.  Its hard to do back to back shows and have a life.  Also, as a director I specifically go over the "will you accept any role" idea at the start of auditions.  I do not want someone to lie and say yes, and then decline when offered, or worse, accept and make everyone miserable.  Wanting a lead is not always about not being a team player, sometimes its just about life.  And not wanting a bit part does not, in my opinion,  make you not a team player.  Of course, it could be someone just being a diva too...I just wanted to put the other side out there.  I think its important to keep in mind.


Posted By: SherrieAnne
Date Posted: 8/18/08 at 9:57pm
As an actor, my response to the ensemble question varies - according to the distance I'd have to travel.  I'm currently doing a production of PIPPIN that's an hour away from me - had I been offered just ensemble, I'd have had to turn it down (but I'm doing Berthe, so I took it).  With the price of gas these days Dead I can't afford to drive an hour each way for a chorus role - but closer to home, the answer might be different.

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There's a little bit of diva in all of us. Some just have a larger helping than others.


Posted By: kaelidancer
Date Posted: 8/19/08 at 12:03am
Originally posted by SherrieAnne

As an actor, my response to the ensemble question varies - according to the distance I'd have to travel.  I'm currently doing a production of PIPPIN that's an hour away from me - had I been offered just ensemble, I'd have had to turn it down (but I'm doing Berthe, so I took it).  With the price of gas these days Dead I can't afford to drive an hour each way for a chorus role - but closer to home, the answer might be different.


This is exactly the sort of thing I'm running into... there are some who want a lead or nothing just because, but by and large, it's people who have a greater distance to travel, and that's totally understandable.  I've turned down chorus parts for this reason several times.

For those of you who know Sweeney Todd, you'll know that the chorus is not your traditional chorus... they're heavily used, lots and lots of solos and featured small groups.  There are only two full company numbers in the show, in fact... the rest of the show features the ensemble in small groups and solos.  What I need to try to get across is that a chorus role in this show is comparable to a principal, in terms of stage time and individual exposure.  I know it doesn't sound as good when you say "I'm in the chorus", but if I weren't directing, the chorus is where I'd want to be!


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Kaeli Gardner
Johnson City Community Theatre
http://www.jcct.us - www.jcct.us
http://www.gardnerarts.com - www.gardnerarts.com


Posted By: JoeMc
Date Posted: 8/19/08 at 12:57am
When i directed A Chorus line quiet a few years back. I purposely didn't advertise any of the roles & gave no choice other than the ensemble. We got 400 auditioning over two days for only to be in the chorus & production.  With no CV's required we cut it down to 36 after one call back. No one was given a role until after they had done a series of rehearsals. Although I got a load of pressure to assign roles, I resisted it.
What actually happened during that period was we got over all the drop out phase, normally that is inherent in comeatre production. The cast actually found their own level, like water & the roles were assigned. We had about 8 drop outs before the roles assignments. But although we needed only 17 on the Line, the 24 remained & we utilised the extras to pad out the numbers during the show. The leads realised that there was a number of others, waiting in the wings, to step up. To the point only 2 of them actually pulled the pin, because they landed paid dancing jobs. One got a call up for the follies in Paris & the other got into a National theatre tour. Two of the extras slotted into their parts very well!{one of these extras, who stepped up, actually went on to win the "Storm the stage' national competition afterwards. the other lass is now a TV show presenter in the eastern states & just completed a tour of her successful one woman show. [not saying it was anything to do with 'ACL' but I feel it was all down to their attitude!]}
The production reminded me of the times I worked backstage on Ballet productions. I was always intrigued by the those that would hang about in the wings, watching every move of the other dancers, who were further up in the pecking order. I used to think they were really interested in the dance performance. {Stupid me! when in fact they were  secretly wishing the prima ballerinas to mess up & they would get a chance to more up the totem pole.[Ballet Barre]} 


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[western] Gondawandaland
"Hear the light & see the sound!
TOI TOI CHOOKAS
{may you always play to a full house!}


Posted By: KEB54
Date Posted: 8/19/08 at 4:45pm
I hear what you're saying.  That's too bad.  I've been there on both sides.  I, too, have said I'd only take certain roles, and there have been times I've done chorus (lots of times, in fact).
 
You are dead on about Sweeny with the movie elimininating the chorus and the stage version being chorus heavy.  Sondheim is the toughest and also the most rewarding.
 
I agree you can't ask those who said they want a lead or nothing.  You have to figure, "their loss" and try to find a chorus elsewhere.
 
One thing that will help in the long run is to give your chorus characters names for listing in the program. For Sweeny you may have "Martha the Cleaning Woman" or "Bernie the Cobbler", "One-Eye Bob", etc.  It gives each a sense of identity and helps them to build a character which is much more fun to watch.  It gives them more to do, and the costumer more ideas.
 
I think one of the turn-offs is that often in the program is "Chorus" followed by a string of a dozen or more names.  Give each chorus member an identity and their own space in the program.


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KEB


Posted By: kaelidancer
Date Posted: 8/20/08 at 12:27am
Originally posted by KEB54

One thing that will help in the long run is to give your chorus characters names for listing in the program. For Sweeny you may have "Martha the Cleaning Woman" or "Bernie the Cobbler", "One-Eye Bob", etc.  It gives each a sense of identity and helps them to build a character which is much more fun to watch.  It gives them more to do, and the costumer more ideas.


I hear what you're saying... but in the case of Sweeney Todd in particular, the chorus acts, truly, as a chorus in the Greek sense.  They are the voice of the fates, our narrator, and represent the population of London itself.  I think the only way to make this chorus as powerful as it needs to be is to treat the chorus, as a whole, as a single character.  Destitute, starving, teetering on the brink of madness.  They're the voice of industrial London, and the voices in Todd's head.  I personally feel that giving them individual roles like that will actually weaken the chorus as a whole.

Anyway, good news!  I have a cast :)  I have two calls left to make to ensemble people just to confirm them, but I feel really good about the group of people I have.   Thanks for all your advice, I'm sure I'll be posting updates as the rehearsals commence!


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Kaeli Gardner
Johnson City Community Theatre
http://www.jcct.us - www.jcct.us
http://www.gardnerarts.com - www.gardnerarts.com


Posted By: jayzehr
Date Posted: 8/20/08 at 3:19pm
Originally posted by kaelidancer

Anyway, good news!  I have a cast :)  I have two calls left to make to ensemble people just to confirm them, but I feel really good about the group of people I have.  

Congratulations! Do good work and have a good time with it!


Posted By: drose
Date Posted: 8/20/08 at 11:53pm
Kaeli, I'm really glad that you posted you last comment about the chourus.  I love Sweeney Todd and am planning to do it next year and I think your statements about it are succinct and dead on.  And if descriptions like that don't make someone want a chorus role, then I don't know what will!  Best wishes on your production!


Posted By: kaelidancer
Date Posted: 8/21/08 at 11:48am
Originally posted by drose

Kaeli, I'm really glad that you posted you last comment about the chourus.  I love Sweeney Todd and am planning to do it next year and I think your statements about it are succinct and dead on.  And if descriptions like that don't make someone want a chorus role, then I don't know what will!  Best wishes on your production!


Thank you!  I'm actually writing a scene-by-scene director's analysis of the show now, and I'd be happy to share it with you once it's finished if you think it would be helpful to you when you mount your production. 


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Kaeli Gardner
Johnson City Community Theatre
http://www.jcct.us - www.jcct.us
http://www.gardnerarts.com - www.gardnerarts.com


Posted By: drose
Date Posted: 8/22/08 at 8:27pm

I'd love it!  I research my shows pretty thoroughly, so I'd love your analysis.  Thanks!

 



Posted By: JohnnyOneNote
Date Posted: 8/31/08 at 8:54am
I just directed ST last season. Closed with it and it was a HUGE hit!
I did what someone mentioned I had the chorus come up with a character. They had to have a job, and a name. There were some chorus who even decided to beomce a "Family"
This DID help the chorus become real and gave them a sense of character instead of just a body on a stage.
It also helped the costumers come up with costumes for the chorus.
Our Pirelli became Chorus in second act also (change of costume of course) which helped as he was an AWESOME tenor!
I had the opposite experience than you. I only had four people out of over 100 say they would NOT take the chorus role.
In my advertising for casting I did put emphasis on the Chorus. I even listed it before the leads and supporting cast.
I also in my speech at auditions stressed the chorus. I was actually pickier about who was in the chorus than who got Sweeney!
In the end, it was the closest cast I have ever worked with. We did the show with 18 people and it sounded like 40.
We also went away from the big rolling cube and made a static set with a rolling "Truck" that rolled under the set and could be changed to the Pie Shop and the Parlor. Pirelli didn't have a wagon, it was two chairs and a small table with his sign covering the tunnel where the truck came out.
It was based on a design from an opera house in Milwaukee. But we made it our own.
I actually would give anything to have that cast back and do it again. And that is really the first time in my 20+ year history of directing that I would ever think of doing a show again with the same cast. :)
 


Posted By: drose
Date Posted: 9/03/08 at 6:20pm
do you have pictures of your set?  I'd love to see them. I'm having trouble picturing what you mean about a "truck" that rolled under the set.



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