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Topic: Muting a new stage
Posted By: JRP8
Subject: Muting a new stage
Date Posted: 3/21/08 at 10:22am
HELP! Our theatre company built a new stage and all we hear is clump, clump, clump as we travel across it.  The NON-tech director wants to cover the top of the stage with carpet, plush side up, and then paint the carpet black. Not only will it take TONS of black paint to cover this BEIGE carpet, but I think it will look STUPID. Isn't there a BETTER WAY? 



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Posted By: pdavis69
Date Posted: 3/21/08 at 1:12pm
Plush side down.  Plush side down.  Many theatres I ghave worked with have used this techique.  It does take a couple of seasons to cover up the weave pattern but it works. 

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Patrick L. Davis
Fort Findlay Playhouse


Posted By: JoeMc
Date Posted: 3/21/08 at 8:09pm
Like Patrick i have seen carpet, PLUSH PILE DOWN, used effectivly & yes it takes a while for the paint to get into the waft & weft of the weave.
However if it is not the stage boards drumming as such [that's another matter], hession works or even covering it in unbleached calico[note; no mention of muslin!]Wink giving the boards a 'gesso' surface. All that glues it to the surface is the plastic [latex] paint, although with the unbleached calico you need to tack down the edges [epoxy glue glue the overlap seams first] because it will shrink when water is applied & become weave very tight.
Also when you paint it black, add some PVA [white wood glue] to the paint, it only has to be a small amount, this takes a bit of experimenting with quantity. The white glue, which sets clear, will give a hard wearing surface & protect the paint. Also when you buy the paint get them to mix in a shot of Cobalt Blue tint / litre of black. Nearly all black paint will become a washed out browny colour when worn. The cobalt blue helps to give it that rich blue tint on ware marks & retain the darker colour longer.
Further when painting just use a cheap 'squeezy' mop, instead of paint rollers. The kitchen mop head sponges are cheap to replace & you don't get paint spray flicking up from the rollers. You also save slightly on paint as you can squeeze out the excess paint. The operation is quicker & less messy! Ouch
 
 


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[western] Gondawandaland
"Hear the light & see the sound!
TOI TOI CHOOKAS
{may you always play to a full house!}


Posted By: gaftpres
Date Posted: 3/22/08 at 10:00pm
very interesting information, I know our theatre could use them. I have a similar predicament for an outdoor amphitheatre stage. We need to resurface it. Our current stage has treated plywood platforms on braces, I was thinking when we resurface it to again use platforms and fill the bottom of the platforms that will be placed on top of the old stage deck with foam insulation. I thought this may muffle the clomps during our summer musical with all the dancing....we sound like clodders. What do you think?  

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Old volunteers never die, they just get recycled!


Posted By: TonyDi
Date Posted: 3/23/08 at 11:49pm
I don't remember how expensive they are, but the Opera House where the local ballet companies used to do a lot of their performances there and they used this large black rubber sheathing that they rolled down on the stage for the comfort and the safety of their dancers.  They were called MARLEYS I believe the name was.  They aren't permanent, but the lay good and flat, they're rubber so they don't slip and slide nor do the actors slip and slide on them because they're black rubber (either in long rolls or large sheets that lay close together on the flat stage.  Helps preserve the stage as well.  They can be rolled back up and stored and reused as needed for whatever purposes necessary.
 
That's about all I can remember them being called MARLEYS.....but I am just not sure - it's been 20 years ago now.  Good luck
 
TonyDi
 


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"Almost famous"


Posted By: JoeMc
Date Posted: 3/24/08 at 3:37am
Your right Tony, they are known as a 'Dance Mat'.
 Known useualy by thier brand name such as Marley, harlequin or Tarquette.
Originaly they were first produced by the 'Congolium Company. They are vynil that comes in about 6' wide rolls - bleeding heavy if you have not got one of these;- 
Dance floor 'meat rack';-
http://www.harlequinfloors.com/americanenglish/productdetail.asp?section=64&page=246&prodid=94 - http://www.harlequinfloors.com/americanenglish/productdetail.asp?section=64&page=246&prodid=94
{you will need plenty of gold bricks in the bank - flamin exspencive!}
 
It is a bit of a palva to set up, but once you have done it a few times, it becomes easy to do.
Roll out the vynil across the stage, starting at the downstage apron. [you pre cut lengths to the width of the stage]. Laying the strips out flat &  edge to edge. Once you have all the deck covered, pull out a strip of Gaffer tape, the same width as the dance mat edge jionts. Lay the gaffer on the mat, sticky side up. Slightly roll one edge of the vynil strip & carefully place the gaffer under the rolled edge. So when it is rolled back the gaffer sticks to the under side. Then roll back the other edge allowing the gaffer exsposed to rest on the deck. Then again lower the rolled edge on to the sticky & against the adjacent vynil strip eddge. All it takes now is to either shuffle walk along the jiont, run a roller over or push a fly counterweight [bickie] along the jiont seams. Then you have undertaped a dancer floor mat! It does not take that long with a bit of practice.
Rolling it back up is easy of course, by just lifting a strips end edgdege & re rolling it, Use a piece of board to stop the other strip lifting, as it could tear the vynil edge. Just untill there enough weight in the rolling vynil for the adheasive to come away easily. Then roll the next strip in the same manner, laying a counterweight bickie on the gaffer tape end, so it will remain on the deck & can either be rolled up for reuse or chucked in the rubbish bin.
As Toni suggests this wull most certainly quite down the clodhoppers on the rostra boards &or reduce any drumming.
I doubt Gafpres if insulation foam will reduce the drumming effect on rostra open viod space.
The only thing to ensure it is not caused by chatering loose plates [top boards] & inadiquate cross suports on the frame &/or loose jionts?
 
{Also you have to be very cafefull using the vynil, as it damages easily & won't take stilletoe high heals  & ensure the stage is flat & nail head or tack free.}
 
 


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[western] Gondawandaland
"Hear the light & see the sound!
TOI TOI CHOOKAS
{may you always play to a full house!}


Posted By: Nanette
Date Posted: 3/24/08 at 9:29am

Every time I've laid a Marley, it's stretched slightly when we removed the tape along the long edges.  After a dozen or so times we were forced to stretch the Marley to overcome the warping on these edges.



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In a world of margarine, be butter!


Posted By: JoeMc
Date Posted: 3/24/08 at 10:42pm
I have never used the Marley brand?
Tarquette is the main one here.
Yeh you do have to be careful especialy on out door venues, with the UV & heat of the sun, which will deplastisize the vynil & leach out the colour.
Also when rolling it up because it is soft it can warp & get out of shape.
If you use plastic PVC pipe as the inside roller, when lifting the dance mat.
This helps with the removal of the gaffer tape, if you have some one stand on the end of the tape or stick it down to the dack with a weight on it.
Ensuring the mat is rolled straight, checking constantly if the edges are aligned on the roll.
Also if you don't have a meat rack, store the rolls standing on thier ends. Not laying on thier sides as they will flatten out on one side, under thier own wait, & you will have a hell of a drama when you use them again.
One trick if you have a Fly system or can lower your light battens to nearer the deck. Is to strike up the lighting rig & heat the dance matt to flatten it out.
Also with tarquette if you mop it with a solution of turpintine & water, it will tend to resurface the dance matt & bring it back to an almost new finish. 


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[western] Gondawandaland
"Hear the light & see the sound!
TOI TOI CHOOKAS
{may you always play to a full house!}


Posted By: spikesgirl
Date Posted: 3/30/08 at 11:04am
When we want to deaden the stage, we set down a layer of Celetex (a 4' x 8' sheet of compressed fiber) and then put a lay of Masonite upon it. It really deadens stairs and platforms as well. you can permanently install it and it's much cheaper than a Marley, which you can't screw into (we construct on our stage)or paint. If the Masonite starts looking rough, we simply replace the sheet.

Charlie


Posted By: Gaafa
Date Posted: 3/30/08 at 8:07pm
Traditional here most stages built in the 1900's were of Jarrah T&G construction. {Also known as Jerryhl by the native tribes [(Eucalyptus Maginat) a redwood akin to Mahogany], originally they used 'stage cloths' over the stage, which is a stretched canvas. Later they used Ply sheets to protect the Jarrah & also because it was a long grain hardwood, it made it difficult to screw into.
In the more modern theatres, as Charle posted, Masonite is sheeting is used, because it is cheaper than ply & the standard sheets are easily replaced.
I have know idea what Celetex is, but it sounds a great idea to cut down on the drumming effect of the stage cheating boards.
In our theatre which was a community hall & has just been refurbished into a sort of performing arts centre venue? Had polished Jarrah floor boards which we covered with MDF sheets under taped with gaffer, so we could paint it. Was supposed to clad in Masonite during the refurbishment, but have ended polished boards instead.
There is no drumming effect because of the thickness & density of the Jarrah, but still not a suitable surface for theatre.
So I had a word with the Builders & got them to put aside for us, a heap of used MDF sheeting they were going to dump. So it will be no cost to us to re-clad the stage again.
  


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      Joe
Western Gondawandaland
turn right @ Perth.
Hear the light & see the sound.
Toi Toi Toi Chookas {{"chook [chicken] it is"}
May you always play
to a full house}



Posted By: spikesgirl
Date Posted: 3/31/08 at 10:22am

Joe - Celetex is a brand name.  I think it's called particle board? Every time we called our favorite home supply store, it had a different name and no one knew what we were talking about.  We usually ended up with 'sound deadening board' as a universal descriptor.  The nice part is that is was dirt cheap, so not expensive, unlike alternatives - the students like it because it was light weight - not so much the Masonite!

Charlie
 



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