Respect
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Topic: Respect
Posted By: whitebat
Subject: Respect
Date Posted: 1/09/08 at 10:50pm
What are some specific things that make you feel respected (and disrespected) as an actor, director, playwright, techie, etc.?
Disrespected: Your role is on the props list instead of the cast list
Someone else is openly or secretly directing the show you thought you were directing
You are called by name to adjust the lighting, when you are actually only running the followspot and someone else is running the light board
Coming to rehearsals at which you have nothing to do
Mispelling your name, and/or listing you as doing the wrong thing in the program
Respected: Being invited to production meetings, however late
Actors asking you (director or playwright) thoughtful questions about their character
People listening
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Posted By: TonyDi
Date Posted: 1/10/08 at 8:49am
I once was called at the LAST MINUTE to run lights for a show and when I got there, I was also informed I was running sound as well - some cues of which were simultaneous. Well this was just a couple days BEFORE the show opened. One snippy little actress diva, made a smart-ass remark "waiting" for a light cue which I was late in delivering because I was doing two things at the same time. I blew my stack. The director (who by the way BEGGED me to do this job) asked me not to talk to "her actors" that way (whichever way it was I talked to them - actually I told this actress she'd get her light cue when I felt like it IF I felt like it or not and to do her job and leave my job to me). I told her if she pissed me off she'd be in the dark. DISRESPECT to me - but I guess I was a hot head in response. So I'm as guilty I guess.
YES and SPELLING YOUR NAME WRONG too is so unacceptable if you ask me.
Leaving your name out of a program completely. Yes it's happened.
I agree coming to rehearsals with NOTHING to do. I did a Shakespeare In The Park show one year in 100 degree heat, sat there for 4 hours to do ONE....I repeat ONE three sentence paragraph - all of 40 seconds worth of dialogue. Plus the other time I sat through rehearsals and NOTES doing NOTHING when I was sick as a dog with the flu. Asked the director if he'd mind if I left if there was nothing for me in notes...his response...."OH!!! Yeah, sure"!!!! Go figure.
Doing a job (and doing it well) and NOT getting credited for it at all.
Too many directors/chiefs and not enough Indians. From BOTH sides of the fence - as a director...other wanna-be's trying to do my job. As an Actor....too many other actors trying to tell ME how to do MY job like they were the directors.
There are so many other things where blatant disrespect runs rampant. List would be long.
On the respected side, being OFFERED a role in a show or a chance to direct without even having to apply for it...because they know the quality of output they'll get.
Being PAID when you didn't even know you were going to be paid - for something you'd have gladly done and thought you were doing for free anyway. ALWAYS nice to make money.
Having actors who really DO what you ask of them as actors when directing.
Having AUDIENCE tell you that they come to see everything you are involved with because they know it will mean quality.
So many more things on this side as well - the list could be extensive. Does ONE outweigh the other? Not sure - sometimes, sometimes not. But I DO think it balances otherwise why do we continue doing it? Interesting subject.
TonyDi
------------- "Almost famous"
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Posted By: Nanette
Date Posted: 1/10/08 at 9:31am
Disrespect ... not getting thanked (verbally or in writing) for my work.
Disrespect ... allowing actors to change componants of [something] without consulting me (the designer).
Respect ... a simple thank you.
Respect ... someone from the community telling me that what I'm doing for the kids is wonderful!!!
------------- In a world of margarine, be butter!
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Posted By: pdavis69
Date Posted: 1/10/08 at 1:33pm
Here is something that I have learned over the years, and it goes for people infront of the lights as well as those who work behind, whatever you do someone is going to feel disrespected. You can't avoid it. If we are looking for thank yous, we are doing the wrong thing with our time. Sometimes mistakes are just that. I work in "Corrections" and the last program said I worked in "Collections". I wasn't disrespected, it was a mistake. There will always be people who aren't very nice (believe me I'm one of them). Just don't work with them or accept it as a minor wrinkle in an otherwise enjoyable pastime. As Patrick Swayze said in Roadhouse "Be nice until it's time not to be nice."
------------- Patrick L. Davis
Fort Findlay Playhouse
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Posted By: jayzehr
Date Posted: 1/10/08 at 4:45pm
If you're an actor you're going to find yourself at rehearsals with nothing to do.
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Posted By: bbpchick
Date Posted: 1/11/08 at 2:05am
Disrespect: Actors showing up late to Rehearsal
Disrespect: Directors not being concious of the actors' time (yes you are going to spend some time not doing anything at rehearsal, however when you do your part at the beginning, and then you are done, the director should be aware of that and let you go home)
Disrespect: Other members desregarding that you have other commitments outside of the theater.
Respect: Thank-yous
Respect: acknowledgement of your achievements
Respect: Actors learning their lines & blocking on time
Respect: Directors doing their best to make the best use of their actors time.
As for programs, I did the programs as publicity chairman this year, and I quickly learned that this wasn't the job for me. I made mistakes in name spellings in the program (and they were names like Kraemer and Derencsenyi) but as soon as they were brought to my attention, I printed inserts with the correct spelling and apologies for the mistakes. I never intended disrespect, but I quickly learned that this kind of stuff was not my forte. Sometimes, people are either doing programs for the first time, or they are not right for the job. I wasn't and therefore I will never agree to it again, and am running for a new position this year. Please don't jump to the conclusion that the person doing the program is disrespectful (especially if they have brought in a copy of the program for the actors, directors, and backstage crew to double check first...which I did)
------------- Kendra
http://www.murphysblackbartplayer.com - www.murphysblackbartplayers.com
You are NEVER too old to dress up!
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Posted By: Aimee
Date Posted: 1/12/08 at 1:03am
I gave up long ago being concerned with errors, for unkown reasons my name misspelled all too often.
I don't need to be thanked, though of course it is nice to hear, I do not expect or need it.
For me the biggest disrepectful thing is not appreciating/understanding that what I do as a TD or techies in general is JUST as important to the show as the acting.
I unfotunately work with a person who consistantly underestimates what it is we techies do and just how long it takes. It happens.
I guess it is the same, as long as I feel like the work I do (and my tech kids) do is appreciated even if not understood, then I guess I feel respected.
------------- Aimee
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Posted By: whitebat
Date Posted: 1/16/08 at 9:12pm
Well, there seem to be a few common threads. People do care about their names being correct, as well as a correct acknowledgement of what they did in the show. I think most of us are understanding if someone tries to get names spelled correctly rather than they just didn't try.
Wasting time by coming to rehearsals that you need not be there seems to be a common one also. We live out of town, as I'm sure many of you do to, and it is frustrating to show up for a rehearsal (as tech) and be told "Go home and watch TV". We lost some potential techies this way.
The big thing that I will try to remember is that people often don't mean an action as disrespectful. Misspellings and things like that are often just mistakes. If it happens once (other less than respectful things included) I'd say forgive and forget, but if the same thing happens again and again it needs to be addressed or people will just leave.
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Posted By: JoeMc
Date Posted: 1/17/08 at 12:25am
One of my takes on people is they are the greatest reusable resource afforded to Ameatre there is in line with the 3 R's
Respect
Remuniration [not money]
Reward Even if is just a round of applause.
Personely I don't give a continental fig. if I get mentioned or not & inverably I aviod being photographed. The last time they demanded a pic ofd mefor the theatre foyer, I gave one of the back of my head & had it displayed there.
I don't care how they spell my name or what they call me. solong as it is not later for dinner!
As Whitebat posted, techies are the hardest done by. because they are not seen therefor out of mind - which most might be anyway!
The programme is possibly the only place, they are publicly reconised for thier efforts. So why in alot of case completely forgot, possibly because they are the last thing a production needs desperatly & it is too late to included them in the programme. Is the normal excuse, yet if a cast member are replaced, for what ever reason, the first thing done is try to change the programme or pop in an amended cast list. Even make a vioce over anouncement if neither can be done. But how many times are announcements made or supplimentry acknolgements inserted. When a bod is called to do lights/audio, SM, Wardrobe, Props or whatever at the last moment - then as quickly forgotten, untill next time?
So is it resonable to say, because of a lack of the 3 R's, no wonder groups are scratching around to find techies to do shows!
------------- [western] Gondawandaland
"Hear the light & see the sound!
TOI TOI CHOOKAS
{may you always play to a full house!}
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Posted By: Topper
Date Posted: 1/17/08 at 9:17am
To avoid misspellings and unintentional omissions in our programs, we always print up a single "dummy" copy first and place it at a dress rehearsal where we know all the company will be participating.
It gets passed around from person to person, actor, crew members, designers, etc. with a red felt-tip pen attached. Each person is asked to proof-read their OWN name, character, position or what-have-you and if it's correct, simply mark "OK" with a dash pointing to their name.
If there's a mistake, circle it and write the correction LEGIBLY.
Also, if anybody has been left out, there's a blank space them to be written in or individuals who needed to be thanked -- if there's room to do so. This way nobody is left out and everybody feels respected.
Then the marked up mess is sent back to our infinitely patient printer-person who tries to decipher all the chicken-scratches and print up the genuine program.
This has almost eliminated the spelling/omission problem. Of course, there are still complaints as we can't accommodate every whim and some limitations are made for clarity or space ("Yes, I know you're playing a soldier in Act III, but he has no lines and you're also playing the Duke in Act I so that's how you will be credited in the program.")
------------- "None of us really grow up. All we ever do is learn how to behave in public." -- Keith Johnstone
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Posted By: MartyW
Date Posted: 1/17/08 at 9:58am
Your right about the program often being one of the last things done... Very often it comes from bio submissions and thank you requests not getting in on schedule... Of all the things I volunteer for or get roped into in a production, my bio is one of the last things on my mind... I've gotten to the point on my own bio's that I just say, "Take the one from the last show and update the most recent production..." or "leave mine blank!" In the case that Patrick mentioned, the programs "fell to me" (my wife was producer) And in like most large cast shows at our place, I was trying to get all the information around all the way up to the final moment that the printer would accept it... In his case, I feel victim to my poor spelling, lack of time and love of technology... I type as fast as I can and let spell check figure it out... Corrections/Collections.. Hey.. It happens.. Again.. Sorry Patrick (I'm just glad Patrick's attitude is close to mine on the "just leave it blank" sentiment)
------------- Marty W
"Till next we trod the boards.."
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Posted By: stgdirector4
Date Posted: 1/17/08 at 3:49pm
As a director, I consider myself as pretty self-confident, not quick to feel hurt even when someone tries to do so deliberately. A cool customer.
But about a year ago, I was directing MACBETH. It was a big, complex show, and one in which I was taking a lot of artistic risks. I needed cooperation and a little patience from the cast, which I got--except from one. I found out that one of cast members--playing a major role--was spending much of his backstage time caustically criticizing the show the show in general and myself in specific. The cast member who informed me of such reassured me, explaining that the rest of the cast paid no attention to him. That this backbiting is just "what he does."
Well, the cool customer in me feel hurt and disrespected. I felt vulnerable. Though I never let on, I felt that I was working hard to create something a little unique--and here was this guy tromping on the daisies. But that's what we all feel, right?
I mean whether you're rushing in to learn lighting cues for an unfamiliar show, or making sure all the props are in place (pistols loaded, bottles washed), or trying to direct a complicated play, you want your work to have value and to be appreciated. We sure ain't doing it for the money!
I know that I'm not saying anything new, but one thing the community theatre experience has taught me is to treat EVERYONE with respect. Everyone contributes.
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