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Best Stage Makeup

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Topic: Best Stage Makeup
Posted By: jdlewallen
Subject: Best Stage Makeup
Date Posted: 1/21/07 at 11:05pm

I guess this question would be for those of you with experience with professional stage makeup: What is the best type of stage makeup to use for CT?  I have seen oil-based, water-based, glycerin-based.... What the heck is the difference and which is best for CT purposes?  Does it matter?

Thanks!




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"Every theatre is an insane asylum..." ---Franz Schalk (1863-1931)



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Posted By: TonyDi
Date Posted: 1/24/07 at 9:53am
Well I have my opinions about what type of makeup is best to use for CT stages.  And quite honestly the answer is SO VARIABLE that to lay any claim that one is best over the next is risky. However, in my educated opinion, I have always used WATER BASED CAKE MAKEUP.  That is to say, I've used it all, but I PREFER WBCM simply because of it's range of colors, it's ease of use and it's ease of clean up.  BUT and this is the big disclaimer, if you have an actor who sweats profusely, or there are some other mitigating issues that require you use makeup that is much more tolerant to certain conditions, then you use what works best for the individual actor wearing it.
 
I have tried it all. I've used, cream makeup, grease paint, cream sticks, over-the-counter, high priced, low priced, store bought, makeup company bought, Kellys, Steins, Maybelline, Ben Nye, RCMA, Mehron, no-name, BIG NAME, cheap, expensive, etc., etc., etc.  I have LOVED Bob Kelly makeup HOWEVER he went out of the makeup business and just had his wig goods business left anymore. Sad day to be sure. BUT I've used Blasco, Ben Nye, Mehron and Steins A LOT and I like Ben Nye's line, but was a die-hard STEIN'S customer for many, many years.  I just like what I've used.  Their color line is limited but they're dependable.
 
Then I even went to good old Wal-Mart and found some inexpensive water based cake makeup and used it extensively and found it to be nearly as good as any of the others.....and it's a bit cheaper too.  SO suffice it to say, whatever works is what you should use.  Some makeups cause allergic reactions, cause you to break out, DRY the skin (cake makeups do that)...and other issues.  It's time to test under actual conditions and develop over time the feel for what works best under a variety of conditions and a variety of people.  I always disliked cream makeup, greasepaint, cream sticks (even Kellys), and liquid makeups.  Their maintenance is a pain, they MUST be powdered liberally to SET the makeup, they run, they make me break out, they're too greasy for my taste.  I'd rather moisturize after using a water based cake makeup to restore and rejuvinate the skin than to try to get the grease out of the pores from the other types.
 
There is NO hard and fast rule.  Greasepaint was the standard (when there wasn't anything else). But now there is so much product out there that you can always find something that will work.  YOU just need to discover OVER TIME what works for you.  Everyone is a little different and to me it's not so much what you use that is important as it is WHAT and HOW you use it to accomplish whatever is necessary as makeup artist.  I've seen good and bad makeup work using ALL these products and it's not about the product to me as much as it is how good the makeup job is that's done with it.  I WILL tell you this. You CAN get inexpensive stuff to do just about as well as more highly priced makeup such that it's not about getting what you pay for with these products.  It's a big scam.  Theater makeup is just makeup with more pigment in it for less needed for the same coverage under high wattage theater lighting conditions.  AND YET AGAIN I've allowed actors who keep healthy tans going, the need to NOT USE any makeup at all - save perhaps a bit of eyebrow or eye work to enhance those features as needed - or perhaps a bit of "color" into the bronzey blush BUT not just cheeks - all over the face to add some "life" to their brown tanned looks.  And with good lighting design from a sensitive designer who knows color, anymore a LOT of makeup is almost not necessary - as it used to be.
 
It's always been my considered opinion that people use too much, thinking it's going to be needed.  And they slather on so much that it masks rather than compliments the skin coloration.  And if they slather it on they usually have no clue how to make it look natural (which means more than ONE COLOR of makeup required.....look at natural skin....MULTI-COLORED to be sure).  So it's all about discovery for your own needs and what works best.  But for my taste it has always been about ease of use, dependability, cost, ease of clean up, and lastly quality (in terms of brand recognizability or other "quality" features that make it worth it's higher cost). NO-one in my estimation can say definitively what is best for CT including me.  I've tried it all and I think that's about the only way anyone can effectively KNOW for certain that what they need some product to do, will work for them when they use it.  And it alters over time.  I used to LOVE Maybelline's cream stick - but I THINK only because I dug the smell of the makeup - because it required powdering and maintenance.  I just liked the way it looked on, but more likely because I liked the smell.  NOW ain't THAT a trippy idea.
 
Anyway test time - I'd say.  Try as much as you can find or afford to decide what works best for you under a variety of conditions on a variety of types of actors.  THEN you'll know better.  BUT for my dollar - it's always been mostly water based cake makeup - EVEN under super sweaty conditions it's always done pretty well for me, on me and others.  LOW maintenance, ease of use and cleanup, relatively inexpensive and plenty of choice.
 
Good luck HOPE YOU find what works for you and your people.
 
Tony Di
 


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Posted By: Nanette
Date Posted: 1/24/07 at 10:12am
Liquid makeup is the most gentle makeup to your skin.  It's a good choice for body makeup since it allows your skin to breathe better than grease paint or cake makeup and is easy to remove w/ soap and water.  However, it also sweats off very easily.  Perfect choice for crowd scenes.
Creme makeup covers a large area with a smooth finish.  This blends nicely and tends to stay on for quite a while.
Cake makeup can be applied with a damp sponge.  It tends to stay on better than almost any makeup except grease paint and airbrush makeup. It is a heavier makeup and may be uncomfortable or cause skin irritation for some people.  Most recommended for TV, theatre, and photography.
Grease paint stays on better than almost any other makeup, but it does not allow the skin to "breathe" as well as water based makeup.  It can be hot and uncomfortable in warm environments and may cause skin irritations.  Use powder or cake makeup in a corresponding color to "set" the makeup. You will need cold cream or makeup remover to remove it effectively!
Personally, I prefer Ben Nye or Mehron creme makeup to the others out there.  Ben Nye has a student kit for about $15 that lasts for about 36 applications ... not a bad deal, really. 


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Posted By: Gaafa
Date Posted: 1/25/07 at 12:56am
 Being a ‘black duck’ on the pond my knowledge of stage make up goes back to the days of ‘Liechner’ numbered grease paint stix.
Not having any desire these days to tread the boards, especially now I have matriculated to the age of condescension yesterday [60]
Or is it just condensation being now a card carrying old fart!
One thing with make up I find is the strange belief that the fairer gender & others who wear street make up.
Is the notion they need not apply any for the stage beyond what there normall sdornment.
I’ll evaporate now as that is all another story!



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      Joe
Western Gondawandaland
turn right @ Perth.
Hear the light & see the sound.
Toi Toi Toi Chookas {{"chook [chicken] it is"}
May you always play
to a full house}



Posted By: POB14
Date Posted: 1/26/07 at 9:52am
Happy belated  birthday, Joe!

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POB
Old Bugger, Curmudgeon, and Antisocial B**tard


Posted By: Gaafa
Date Posted: 1/26/07 at 10:44pm
Bewdy cuz! {thanks POB}
As I have mentioned before I’m sure I was 30 years premature!
So I’ve only got notionally 10 years to wait for my telegram of Recognition from the Queen. { that is if Ol’ Lizzy lasts that long of course - or it could be a Charley-gram’? [but me thinks if I don’t peg out before then, there will be more chance of one from young King Eddy]}.
Anyway a few years ago I worked in a Performing Arts Centre, in the bush.
There was a great divide & little if any awareness or respect afforded to the techies employed there.
We were rarely invited to staff meetings & on the rare occasions we were. It was only for the them in the office to beat there chests & admonish us techies.
The most piacular one we were summons to, was on the subject of coffee cups.
We endured it for about 3 hours, although we had just completed 4 days of 18 hours per day, because of a major administration cockup & only wanted to sleep.
The resolution of the meeting vote, which was carried on a unanimous mandate of 8 For & 2 abstentions - because they had nodded off!
Was to purchase a set of Royal Daulton fine china tea service, with the periwinkle’s, for the exclusive use of beverages for the office staff. As the mugs that are presently used by them, were also being used by the techies & other none descript crew from visiting shows. Therefor they could not be sure what they might catch from them.
So we complied explicitly & used the china cups, when we found them left around, for everything else except beverages.
So in an attempt to break down the ‘Admin ‘n Techie’  situation. Each year the administration put on a one night stand production for all the FOTT’s [friends of the theatre]. As a thank you for their collective input in helping the theatre with productions in the front of house & backstage.
{The Fott’s, gawd bless em! Would actually pay a hefty membership fee, to be used/abused & only given  a free concert once a year for their efforts.}
I suggested in true appreciation of the Foot’s, that all the paid administration staff should perform the techies function for the show. surpassingly they agreed to it, so long as the 2 techies would be on hand & supervise the operation.
The show went great & the office staff loved doing it, so much so each in the office, look forward to doing this as an annual event.
Also it apparently it has changed the atmosphere there to one of ‘We’ rather than ‘Them & us’.  



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      Joe
Western Gondawandaland
turn right @ Perth.
Hear the light & see the sound.
Toi Toi Toi Chookas {{"chook [chicken] it is"}
May you always play
to a full house}



Posted By: Gaafa
Date Posted: 1/27/07 at 12:44am
Cor blimey - Wottanana!
I meant to post the last part in the ‘Techie Respect’ topic.
But I have lost the ‘Edit’ button somewhere & I can’t find the ‘quote’ button either?



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      Joe
Western Gondawandaland
turn right @ Perth.
Hear the light & see the sound.
Toi Toi Toi Chookas {{"chook [chicken] it is"}
May you always play
to a full house}




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