Spine of a play
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Topic: Spine of a play
Posted By: mikejmurray
Subject: Spine of a play
Date Posted: 12/13/06 at 7:25pm
I am a young director who openly admits his inexperience. I am reading the book On Directing by Harold Clurman. He says that the first step is defining the "spine" of the play, which is the main action expressed in a verb (ex. "To posses the Farm" could be the spine of Desire Under The Elm. "To seek the Truth" could be for Hamlet). Every character must tie into the spine somehow.
I was wondering if anyone could give some tips on how they choose the spine. It seems difficult to choose one statement which affects every character. I am directing the play Harvey and I was thinking my Spine could be "To find Acceptance", or "To build relationships" because in my view every character seems to want to be accepted by society or by a person. I would welcome any advice or opinions. Thanks.
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Posted By: falstaff29
Date Posted: 12/13/06 at 9:39pm
Like most of those acting gurus, this is just a time-wasting
exercise. Making up character backstories, spines,
motivations.... nobody in the audience thinks in those terms, so you
shouldn't either. Whatever you and the cast agree the spine is,
you're not communicating that better than any other potential spine
(unless, I suppose, you make it a tagline, and have the set for
Elsinore castle graffitoed with "Seek the Truth!").
Instead, approach considerations of the point of the play more
functionally, as in, "Do I want the audience to laugh? To
cry? To be disgusted? To hate the main character? To
be sympathetic towards him? To be ambivalent? etc"
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Posted By: Joan54
Date Posted: 12/14/06 at 8:44am
Have any of you read "The Salterton Trilogy" by Robertson Davies? There is a wonderful scene in there where an actor decides that he will consume 9 grapes as he says his closing monolog because the number nine has some mystical significance to his character and the grapes symbolize something else.. ( as though the audience would understand this).....and no one can understand what he is saying because he has his mouth full of grapes.
Don't make this harder than it already is.....
------------- "behind a thin wall of logic panic is waiting to stampede"
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Posted By: B-M-D
Date Posted: 12/14/06 at 9:28am
It's Harvey for cryin' out loud. The premise alone should be enough to get by on. I agree with Joan54, don't make it harder than it already is. Like Freud (or was it Goucho Marx) said, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."
------------- BD
"Dying is easy, comedy is hard."
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Posted By: mikejmurray
Date Posted: 12/14/06 at 10:10am
I thought it was a bit strange but since the book seems to be so respected in the industry, I figured I should at least give it a try.... Thanks for the comments... It does seem a little abstract where I think I should be focusing more on the funcionality, as falstaff said.
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Posted By: Juror #3
Date Posted: 12/14/06 at 12:52pm
Originally posted by falstaff29
Like most of those acting gurus, this is just a time-wasting exercise. Making up character backstories, spines, motivations.... nobody in the audience thinks in those terms, so you shouldn't either. Whatever you and the cast agree the spine is, you're not communicating that better than any other potential spine (unless, I suppose, you make it a tagline, and have the set for Elsinore castle graffitoed with "Seek the Truth!").
Instead, approach considerations of the point of the play more functionally, as in, "Do I want the audience to laugh? To cry? To be disgusted? To hate the main character? To be sympathetic towards him? To be ambivalent? etc"
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I disagree with Falstaff29. It doesn't matter if the audience thinks in those terms or not, you and your actors should. You all need to know more than the audience about the characters, what preceded the action of the play, what happens after the action and so on, so that you will know how to answer the questions Falstaff asks. If the audience, say, is to be disgusted by a character's actions, what will precipitate that disgust? Why is the character disgusting? Does the character know he/she is disgusting? Do the other characters feel he/she is disgusting? If you create a backstory, examine the "spine" of the play, you will understand better what you want your actors to do. If you are the actor, you will have a better understanding of this person whose shoes you are standing in.
I will grant that there are many plays where such an examination serves no real purpose. Maybe Harvey is one. I played Elwood and, truth to tell, I gave a lot of thought to what had made him the way he is. Perhaps another actor wouldn't need to do that or feel any motivation to do it. I think it helps to decide some things for yourself, whether acting or directing.
------------- Juror #3
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Posted By: castMe
Date Posted: 12/14/06 at 5:36pm
Although I agree that backstory is generally a waste of time, I believe each story and character do have spines. It's not usually something I go looking for, but it's hard to deny the reality of the spine or "red thread" or "golden thread". I can usually find it for specific characters, but have a difficult time identifying the story's spine.
My comments about backstory notwithstanding, I have no objection to actors working them out on their own, but have never asked anyone to generate one for me. I'd rather have them learning their lines.
------------- Investigate. Imagine. Choose.
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Posted By: EddyZ
Date Posted: 12/14/06 at 6:31pm
I don't know that I like the concept of a "spine" with regard to plays
or characters. It reminds me too much of a Mission
Statement. Every company thinks they need one, spends so much
time toiling to write one, but then never follows it or goes
all-out obsessive-compulsive nazish trying to adhere to it.
I think I'd prefer the concept of leitmotivs (recurring themes or
movements). There may be more than one, but they should always be
recognizable. They may be characterizations, they may be
symbolism, they may be rhythm in the timing of certain exchanges
between characters. They don't even need to have been intended by the
author, you can create them on your own. (Mind you, you can also
overdo it.)
------------- EddyZ
http://webpages.atlanticbb.net/~ezahurak/ - http://webpages.atlanticbb.net/~ezahurak/
http://www.nailsouptheatre.com - www.nailsouptheatre.com/
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Posted By: mikejmurray
Date Posted: 12/15/06 at 10:08am
I do think it's important that every character have a through-line, or super-objective (which I guess can be called a spine). I just don't know if an entire play needs one... I believe you should choose a theme to base the play on. As to whether a theme is the same thing as a spine, I don't know. It doesn't seem to be, at least not based on what Clurman says...
I think it's important for the actors to create character bios and backstories. Not necessarily written out, but it should be thought out. I agree with Juror #3 - the actor playing Elwood needs to examine his past and why he is the way he is.
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Posted By: tristanrobin
Date Posted: 12/15/06 at 11:25am
I believe that discovering the spine of the play - and vocalizing it with the cast - and each actor finding where his/her place fits into that spine is very important. I feel NOT willing to do the work to find out the most basic aspect of the script is why so many CT productions are lacklustre and not emotionally involving. It's not because of a lack of talent or lack of commitment...it's simply just not doing the work that is required to have a fully fleshed-out interpretation. How can anybody hope to do a good interpretation of the author's intent without knowing what his intent was?!
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Posted By: Wuo duh ma
Date Posted: 12/15/06 at 2:38pm
I have to say that I believe the excerisize is grounded in a good intention, but it practice it fails. You need to find your own way to bring out the motivations and the through line of a show. I usually have one rehearsal where we do NOTHING but talk about the past history of these characters (how did they meet, why are they here, what do they do, how do they know each other.)
The audience will NEVER know what's going on, but it bonds the actors to their characters and to each other. What's great about this excercise is there is NO wrong answer.
Case in point: I directed Prelude to a Kiss and we were doing the character rehrearsal. I had double cast the preacher to Rita's uncle in the next scene. We (read: the cast) decided that Rita uncle was Rita's mother sister's husband and they met in Vegas where he was a boxer and she was one of the card girls (Mom's sister had a period of wild times). They met, got married, and he decided to become a minister.
The audience knew none of that, the actors had a great time, it really helped the show and we didn't spend time thinking about a "spine", it happened naturally.
My point is try to find your own voice and don't sweat it so much.
------------- I am a leaf on the wind… watch how I soar.
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Posted By: POB14
Date Posted: 12/15/06 at 3:34pm
I would say something both witty and wise, but I can't improve on something I've said many times here:
I agree 100% with Tristan.
That is all.
------------- POB
Old Bugger, Curmudgeon, and Antisocial B**tard
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Posted By: Mike Polo
Date Posted: 12/15/06 at 3:42pm
What POB said... especially about the something both witty and wise.
------------- Mike Polo
Community Theater Green Room
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Posted By: Amos Hart
Date Posted: 12/15/06 at 7:02pm
I was going to use my tedious High Diving Analogy, but let's go with Gold Prospecting.
If you stick your shovel into Shakespeare, Arthur Miller, Chekhov, you can keep digging for miles and still come up with gold. There's always something more to be found.
I once had a director spend an evening discussing the back stories of the characters in Arsenic and Old Lace. That evening was a waste of time. The motivations and relationships are all right there on the surface. There is gold to be found in Harvey and Arsenic and Old Lace, but it's a finite amount and it's all near the top. If you keep digging past the gold trying to find more where none exists, you just wear yourself out and look silly.
Decide what the characters want, why they want it and go from there. Save your shovel for a bigger mine.
I was going to decry the whole idea of putting big spotlights on The Theme; but after twenty years of directing community theater I just started on my first non-equity professional show, Boston Marriage and I've been spending more time than usual on approach.
At the readthrough, I gave the actresses references that they wouldn't possibly be able to imitate in the show (nor would I want them to), but to give them character hooks. Aside from the obvious note that Boston Marriage is a female mirror of the males in American Buffalo (two older people planning a scam who think they're smarter than their young, dim assistant -- and they're not), I also said, "Look at Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? Anna - you're Martha. Claire - you're George. Catherine - you're Honey." Or Chicago. Anna is Roxie, Claire is Velma, Catherine is Amos. I struck gold when, referring to the two older women who think they're intelligent, compared to the honest, helpfully dim maid, I said, "You're two Hardys and a Laurel." The woman playing Catherine loved that because it gives her a handle on the character without dictating line readings -- honest, lovable, simple; but really slow on the uptake.
Using the Virginia Woolf reference gets us away from the "They're Lesbians!!!" aspect, which doesn't really enter into it. The focus is not on two lesbians, it's on a bad marriage which happens to be between two women.
So yeah, I guess I think a lot about the focus of the show, and what hooks to give actors that will help them play it; I just tend to shy away from making that process a big deal. I decide what I want from the show and go after it.
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Posted By: JShieldsIowa
Date Posted: 12/20/06 at 11:51pm
This all makes me giggle a bit inside. Recently I directed a production of Seussical the Musical. I had a chorus member come up to me and ask me "what's my motivation, what's my backstory" during the "Anything's Possible" song. I looked at her and said "you're a happy fish". She looked at me a bit confused and then nodded as if I rattled off some mathematical equation that solved the mystery of life. Then she asked me "do we know why we're going to war and whether we agree with it". I finally had to look her squarely in the eyes and tell her "you're a cartoon person in a purple wig - just be happy when you're supposed to be happy and be sad when you're supposed to be sad". A couple days later she came up to me and told me how deep that was and that really helped her come up with her back story and characterization for the role. I tried very, very hard not to burst out in total laughter.
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Posted By: DWolfman
Date Posted: 12/21/06 at 10:45am
Originally posted by JShieldsIowa
I tried very, very hard not to burst out in total laughter. |
Originally posted by Popeye the Sailor
I yam what I yam and tha's all I am. |
Sometimes the part and/or the show speaks for itself.
Not to take this subject too lightly though, when I am acting I spend a lot of time in character analysis, relationship dynamics, historical and literary connections, backstory links, subtext, and even at times, the "spine" of the story and production. I do this not only to prepare my character, but...it's a major part of what I enjoy about building a character.
As a director, I give the actors just enough to start the ball rolling (much as AMOS HART said, with references familiar enough to ring the bell) and primarily ask them for input as they begin to figure things out themselves (tailoring my reaction to their responses toward the path I wish them to proceed). Too much analysis on the director's part, it seems to me, distracts the actors from doing their own job.
------------- Even a man who is pure of heart...
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Posted By: Director7
Date Posted: 12/21/06 at 6:16pm
Different directors may use several organizing principles in their analyses: a theme, an image, a spine or something else. Personally I find the spine to be very important and helpful; without it a production may lack focus and texture.
Certainly we should ask questions such as "What is the audience to enjoy?" or "What should the reaction to this moment be?", but to stop there would be to do a disservice to the production. A comic moment, for example, could be made comic in a multitude of ways; the spine can assist us in ruling out the least appropriate way and direct us toward the more telling choices.
It is true that certain plays will be more limited in their choices for spine, but they still posess one. (Plays are "an imitation of an action"; drama depicts a stuggle.)
As far as the actors go, it may not be necessary to bore them with details of your analysis. (Kazan, in his discussion of spine, states that he doesn't discuss this with the actors.) All they may need is a good image or analogy (as the "Virginia Woolf"/ Laurel and Hardy one above), or just "move there": whatever works for them. The point is that analysis will help you as director develop your vision, and when an actor makes a choice that runs counter to that vision or does not support it, you are able to steer him/her back in the right direction .
To the poster of "Seusical" above: I know exactly what you mean. Many times an actor will ask a question which seems like it should be obvious to anyone who has read the play or one that seems just plain ridiculous. I constantly have to remind myself in these cases that the actor may be at a certain point in their development, may have a certain approach to their craft or that the actor is simply dealing with one aspect of the production (their character) and may not "see the forest for the trees". I use this as an opportunity to clarify and (hopefully) push them in the proper direction.
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Posted By: NagarWSF
Date Posted: 1/18/07 at 1:29pm
I have to disagree with the advice by Falstaff29. If you ask "do I want my audience to cry, or laugh" or any of the other things this person says, then you are directing towards a manufactured emotional result. If the goal becomes "to make the audience laugh" then you are paying no attention to the circumstances of the story. Focus on the circumstances, and the rest will fall into place. The "right" emotional reaction will be there because it is truthful and reactive.
I think the first things you said about identifying the spine of Harvey are the exact kind of observations and conclusions you should be making. You do have to examine what every character is going through. When you do, you find commonalities. Those commonalities are the basis for your spine, or theme. To not search for those, and to disregard them, is an insult to the playwright who put them there for a reason. Any director who advises their actors not to bother with asking important character questions or devising backstories, shouldn't be directing. Those directors and actors are only concerned with the outward appearance of their characters. The character then has no inner life. The inner life of the character makes for a fuller, more honest, and better performance. I don't care what different school of acting you study, Stanislavsky, Meisner, Hagen, Strassberg, any acting teacher, book, director worth their salt will concur.
That said, one of the techniques I use is called from what...through what...to what. It works like this:
From what: When the play begins, how is the world of the play? From where is the beginning of the play coming? What happened just before the play began? Remember, every beginning of a story is just the middle or end of another story
Through what:What transpires during the course of the play? How is the established world changed or challenged? What events occur and what are their impact on the people in the story? (Notice I said people not characters)
To what: What is left at the end? How is the world of the play different? Are questions answered? Are new ones put forth? Where do the characters go from here?
Lastly, the other thing to identify is conflict. The heart of drama, and stories in general, is conflict. Identify these (yes there may be more than one) in terms of forces or concepts (ie., man vs. nature, passionate love vs. marriages of convenience, old age vs. youth, etc.) The identified spine and the from-thru-to will support the conflict.
Any director that doesn't do their homework, is a lazy director. Actors who don't do their homework are lazy as well. It doesn't matter if the audience thinks in those terms. The director and actors have to know more about the play and the characters than the audience. And believe me, the audience does perceive it on some level.
In reading some of the responses here, don't be swayed by the "don't make it so hard" comments. Directing is hard! No one ever said it should be easy. Even the most trvivial seeming play has a conflict. Do you need as deep and thorough an analysis of Grease as you do Death of a Salesman? Well maybe not. But you still need to flesh it out to a certain extent. Attention must be paid. Good luck!
------------- Working Class Theatre Company
www.workingclasstheatre.org
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Posted By: whitebat
Date Posted: 12/02/07 at 11:04pm
I've spent more time in "Interactive Murder Mysteries" than other forms of theatre in recent years. We had a very loose script, and the actors made up a lot of their characters. Notably, I don't think our audience ever "got" the theme, although each actor made up a lot of backstory for their INDIVIDUAL character. It would be really helpful to have a director who could communicate something about the "theme" of a play, as that would affect not only acting but sets, lighting, etc. I think if you try to impose the theme rather than finding it in the script it can run counter to the playwright's intent.
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Posted By: theactordavid
Date Posted: 12/03/07 at 11:51am
I think most importantly is to "discover" meaningful facets of a character and his/her back story. Was Hamlet a bed-wetter? Did Stanley always get a sweater for Christmas? Was Willy a C-student? And does any of that translate to the audience?
In Mamet's book "True and False: Heresy and Common Sense for the Actor", he says:
The actor is onstage to
communicate the play to the audience. That is the beginning and the end of
his and her job. To do so the actor needs a strong voice, superb diction,
a supple, well-proportioned body, and a rudimentary understanding of the play.
The actor does not need to "become" the character.
The phrase, in fact, has no meaning. There is no
character. There are only lines upon a page. They are lines of
dialogue meant to be said by the actor. When he or she says them simply,
in an attempt to achieve an object more or less like that suggested by the
author, the audience sees and illusion of a character upon the stage.
I believe Stanislavski said (and I paraphrase, and do not quote), what works for you is right.
Ultimately, getting the truth of the playwright's words to the audience is the goal. Whatever techniques or skills you wish to employ in that endeavor are valid if your goal is proper, and achieved. If neither of these apply, then you need to try something else perhaps.
Leave it to the audience to decide whether they should laugh or cry, be disgusted or amused, love or hate your character. That is their role in the play, for which they likely paid good money.
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Posted By: pdavis69
Date Posted: 12/03/07 at 12:50pm
It has been my experience that like so many things in life if you try to disect something and study it, it will eventually rot and start to stink. Admittedly my speciality is farce work and good fun comedies. I once worked with an actor who couldn't have fun with a part because he didn't understand the motivation for a single line. "Why would I ever say that?" kept popping out of his mouth and "because it's funny and the audience will laugh" was not enough explanation. He kept pointing out that in real life he would never say such a dumb line, and I guess that is one of the big reasons no one has ever written a smash comedy about his life.
------------- Patrick L. Davis
Fort Findlay Playhouse
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Posted By: theactordavid
Date Posted: 12/03/07 at 1:11pm
Ooohh... it sounds like a good one could be written. Of course, he still wouldn't find it funny. "Why would I say that? I never say that."
I always spend a few preliminary rehearsals in read-through, with the goal of getting to understanding. If an actor does not understand why his character says or does something, then he doesn't understand the character, or the story, or both.
Admittedly, you can intellectualize the intuitive and emotional connection to a character and story right out of a production. And you will never fully nail everything (or you should hope not to) so there is still some "life" left in it. But without some understanding, you're left with little beyond a cold read, which can be fun but ultimately lead to a disconnect in some way.
As was mentioned earlier, the opening moment of a play is the ending moment of all that came before (i.e. backstory) and the last moment is the beginning of the rest of the characters' lives (the forestory), for those that survive anyway. Think about how many people you have met, and upon learning a little more about them - their backstory revealed slowly over days and beers - your first impression changes. We now understand why they act that way, have their beliefs, speak their way, etc.
When you get to know your character enough so that your role makes sense, you're almost there.
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Posted By: jayzehr
Date Posted: 12/03/07 at 2:43pm
I have to largely agree with Patrick.
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Posted By: Director7
Date Posted: 12/05/07 at 4:39pm
It sounds like the actor cited above, who kept questioning why his character would say something, did not understand the character, a particular circumstance, the world of the play or any combination of these. That's where analysis comes in handy, for me. I am more readily able to point certain things out. (Of course there are those actors who may be totally resistant for another reason.)
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Posted By: pdavis69
Date Posted: 12/07/07 at 9:34am
Nope, the actor above just didn't understand funny.
------------- Patrick L. Davis
Fort Findlay Playhouse
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Posted By: Director7
Date Posted: 12/07/07 at 4:14pm
Perhaps. (The question of casting then comes up.) However, with good understanding of the script, even actors with less of a sense of comedy may be lead a little closer to realization of the script, in my experience. (That and being coached in comedic technique. It does take more time and the results may be lesser than otherwise; that is why casting is so important.)
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Posted By: tristanrobin
Date Posted: 2/22/11 at 9:41pm
Interesting.
I just started doing research for a production of Proof.
Searching out other opinions on the spine of the play, the first google link was right here to the ol' Green Room Discussion Board.
------------- http://tristanrobin.blogspot.com
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Posted By: avcastner
Date Posted: 11/12/12 at 8:57pm
I remember being in Dramatic Writing and Analysis in college and having to come up with the spine of a play--bunch of hogwash. Now, when I was taught the _Backwards and Forwards_ method by David Ball for script analysis, light bulbs went on. Remember everything that happens in a play happened because something caused it to happen. Work backwards in the script to discover the causes, and then you can find out why it happened. Know the "why," the "what," and the "who," and you can help your actors become the characters.
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Posted By: PaulyWally
Date Posted: 12/06/12 at 10:03pm
Not to beat on an old thread, but I also vote "yes" for discovering the spine of a play (spine, theme, thesis, super-objective, whatever-you-choose-to-call-it).
I agree that some plays need a bit of digging, and others not so much. But the "spine" is what gives the play form. And every great work of art has a form. I believe it is the director's job to communicate that form to the audience. From there, it is up to the audience member to interpret the details within that form.
In any good play, the playwright has taken the time and energy to write that form out. Why ignore it? I liken it to actors that insist they only need to paraphrase their characters lines and improvise as much as they like. The writer knows the characters better than anyone else ever will. To think otherwise is disrespectful to the script, and subsequently, the playwright.
Remember that it is our job to present an existing piece of work. Not strip it of its components because we may find the job to be "overkill".
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