Can Auditions Be Fun?
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Topic: Can Auditions Be Fun?
Posted By: fairfax
Subject: Can Auditions Be Fun?
Date Posted: 10/26/06 at 10:26am
Hi everyone. I have been enjoying the various discussions on this board for quite awhile, especially the differing points of view. I have learned much and plan on learning much more. With that said, I would like to pick your brains on a topic that has been previously discussed in detail, but has been on my mind recently. I will be directing a musical in the spring. I am very comfortable in the musical genre and have directed many shows, however, this will be my first directorial outing with this group.
I have been involved in theatre for many years, as a performer, singer, and director. I have performed professionally and in community theatre. I prefer community theatre because there is a camaraderie that was missing in the professional groups. Most of my experience has been in musical theatre. Regardless of where I performed or directed I have had to face the dreaded AUDITION. Yuck!! Does anyone truly enjoy auditioning?
As discussed in a previous topic, the typical audition for a musical theatre production starts with a vocal audition, quickly followed with a dance or movement (I say movement because I cannot call what ?I? do dance ;-) audition. Then if you make it to callbacks, you read from the script and maybe sing again.
As a director in an audition I must ascertain whether an auditionee is appropriate to the part, can vocally sing it, can move if required, can portray the character as I envision it and will work well with the rest of the ensemble. In order to learn all of this in a very short time, I have to conduct the audition in some fashion similar to the previous paragraph. As a performer in an audition I must show that I can sing it, am appropriate to the part, can move without bumping into walls and can portray a character.
What I would like to know for all of you is this ? can I, as the director, make it fun?
Are there methods of running the audition which will ease the tension? As a director, what have you done at an audition that has worked? What hasn?t worked (so I can avoid that)? As a performer, what auditions have you truly enjoyed? Why? Did the director do something to make you more comfortable? I would like to hear any and all suggestions. What has worked and what hasn?t?
Thanks for your help,
MJ
------------- When you say often, do you mean "orphan" a person who has lost his parents or often frequently?
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Posted By: MartyW
Date Posted: 10/26/06 at 11:39am
Been on both sides of the fence many many times... I think it is all about attitude... Both on the part of the auditioners and the directorial staff... As for me I LOVE auditions... As long as you approach theater as fun and are supportive of each other, auditions can be a blast.. When we have audtions we love to listen to the other person, laugh with themand laugh at ourselves... For me personally, the real TENSION/Dread is as the director.. You have to choose what is going to make a great show. That's where the presure is. When I'm auditioning, as long as I don't take myself too serious and don't have my heart set on a particular part, I am usually having a ball..
As to what you can do to engender "fun", I guess it would be all in how you set the mood. If audtions are run as 100% buisness, then I'm sure that can be a little intimidating.. I just think the same thing can be accomplished with out so much presure.
Sorry to ramble..
Good luck finding "Your way" to take the edge off..
------------- Marty W
"Till next we trod the boards.."
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Posted By: eveharrington
Date Posted: 10/26/06 at 7:48pm
I enjoy auditioning as much as a person can enjoy it. I get nervous but I find that just like being on stage, the more I do it the less I'm worried about it. I just think that there is something to be learned from each audition. I go to auditions for any (non-singing) show I can ,almost, realistically fit into my schedule. Even if I don't immediatly see a part I think I fit in, I go just for an opportunity to get up and read with other actors. It's also a great way to "feel out" new groups. We all know that walking in to a new CT is a scary proposition since occasionally you find a pit of clique-y venomous vipers.
------------- "If nothing else, there's applause... like waves of love pouring over the footlights."
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Posted By: Playwright
Date Posted: 10/26/06 at 10:08pm
As a director I always try to make my auditions fun. I try to be relaxed and light-hearted. I think deep down I'm probably more nervous than they are.
At the auditions for my play that we did in July the auditions were fun. The actor who I cast as my lead helped out at the auditions to find the other characters. His easy going manner and the rapport he instantly made with those auditoning made it fun for us all. When we auditioned the kids, my leading man immediately became 'dad' to each one of them and there was light-hearted teasing and joking. The kids who were able to get into the spirit of the fun and tease him right back were the ones I cast. They were awesome actors as well. There were times when we had to convince audience members that none of the kids in the play were related to the actors playing mom and dad. The bond was that good and that believable. And I think it started at those fun auditions.
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Posted By: TheActingTechie
Date Posted: 10/26/06 at 10:38pm
Auditions for Musicals are some of the scariest things in my life, I absolutely hate them, and get butterflies in my stomach just thinking about them.
Auditions for Straight plays I love, and just breeze through.
I wonder what my strong suit is...
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Posted By: Linda S
Date Posted: 10/27/06 at 8:55am
I agree 100% with Playwright. I try to keep auditions fun and interesting for everyone. I will often have auditioners work in groups before I see them individually. I found this to be less intimidating for the performers. They don't feel so in the spotlight. I can see what they can do when they are relaxed and I get glimpse of how they will work in an ensemble. Example: The choreographer will teach a group of 5 a routine together. Then ask to see them individually. Sometimes they don't even realize that they have auditioned. The same with the music director. They will teach a group a song. Then have them sing something of their choice. Then have them sing in a group to see if they can hold their part. I try to have a one on one conversation with everyone. I greet old friends and make a point of welcoming new faces. I also tell auditioners that their audition starts the minute they walk in the door. I make a point of watching their interaction with other cast members and staff. It can be very revealing as to how they are going to be to work with.
Linda
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Posted By: POB14
Date Posted: 10/27/06 at 9:55am
As an actor, I find auditioning fun. However, I find sitting around watching other people audition NOT fun.
I try to keep that in mind as a director.
------------- POB
Old Bugger, Curmudgeon, and Antisocial B**tard
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Posted By: Topper
Date Posted: 10/27/06 at 4:47pm
Sorry, but I disagree with POB14.
As an actor, I've always felt auditions were more intimidating and judgemental when it's just me in the room with the director, stage manager and/or whoever else.
I've always enjoyed auditions more when it was with a larger group. Delivering a comic monologue to one or two people is akin to torture (both for the actor trying to get a laugh and the auditioners who are trying to muster amusement). However, a comic monologue for a group of people is much more enjoyable for all concerned.
When it comes to readings from the script, I find it enormously helpful and enjoyable to see how the other actors approach the same lines. It gives me a chance to size up my competition, and sometimes it inspires me to deliver a line in a way that I might not have thought of myself. (I only steal from the best.)
Because of this, whenever I get the opportunity to direct, I've always auditioned my actors in groups of five or six (sometimes more if there's an enormous crowd waiting).
Not only do the auditions seem to go faster for everybody, but it also gives me a chance to see how the actors interact with each other and an audience.
The experienced actors enjoy showing off their skills and the inexperienced ones become less shy when all the pressure is not directly focused on them. They also might learn a thing or two from their more-polished colleagues on how to prepare properly and conduct themselves at an audition.
------------- "None of us really grow up. All we ever do is learn how to behave in public." -- Keith Johnstone
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Posted By: Linda S
Date Posted: 10/27/06 at 5:25pm
I agree Topper. I always let the actors know when I am finished with their audition. Very rarely does anyone go.
Linda
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Posted By: B-M-D
Date Posted: 10/27/06 at 8:02pm
No, no...no fun. People should be as miserable and aprehensive as they possibly can be. Only fear, loathing and terror at my auditions! All right before anyone thinks I'm serious I really am kidding.
No matter what side of the audition table I happen to be on I like to be as entertianing as possible and that usually means having as much fun with the process as possible.
------------- BD
"Dying is easy, comedy is hard."
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Posted By: mark_j
Date Posted: 10/29/06 at 9:51am
I'm fortunate that I'm happy both sides of the back stage wall. If I don't get a part I'll take a tech part. In addition, I see the committment to theatre as a long term investment and if don't get a part in one show I know there will be another one in a few months.
That being said, the most fun I've had at auditions is when both the actors and the director are relaxed. The best audition was probably was a Beauty & The Beast show where the director had everyone line up in different rows. The head of each row would read for a part and once that was done, that person could get in any line for a part. It was fast paced and everyone kept it light. I didn't get the part I wanted, but I did enjoy the audition.
The Other MJ
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Posted By: red diva
Date Posted: 10/29/06 at 2:37pm
Alternate forms of auditioning are always fun.....including the "i" word (I mean....gulp....improvisations!). After the auditioners get past the dread of that word and if you choose the right type of improv, they really relax and get into it. One or two practice ones first to get them warmed up, then the improvs that you really plan to watch for creativity, ensemble playing, focus, cooperative action, leadership, stage presence, etc. Choosing fun, non-threatening ones is imperative (short or longer ones, depending on how many people you have auditioning and your time constraints), and they really tell you something. Then, once you've gotten their nerves out of the way, you might see some really good, relaxed readings!
Sometimes I even have them tell about themselves as a way of breaking the ice. No, not the "Hi, I'm Jane, and the most interesting thing about me is that I've got freckles on my back that when connected form a smiley face" type of thing. Pick a topic that relates to the play they're auditioning for (for instance, for "Octette Bridge Club", I had them tell about their family traditions), give them a time limit and a few minutes to prepare, then turn them loose. Of course, this one works best when you don't have 200 people auditioning!
------------- "I've worked long and hard to earn the right to be called Diva!"
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Posted By: falstaff29
Date Posted: 10/29/06 at 5:07pm
I prefer auditioning in front of a room, as I feel there's more energy
for me to play off of in the scene I'm reading. But I guess I'm
hypocritical in that when I direct, I audition privately, because (I'll
freely admit), although I give everyone a shot, some people I'll
audition for much longer than others, or with different scenes, etc,
just going on my gut of how I think they might fit, instead of seeing
what different things each actor can bring to the one same monologue
and only that. Callbacks I do open, though.
My favorite audition as an actor was a few years back for Julius Caesar
where the director wanted to really get a sense of our mob quality, so
he'd have switch us out, having one of us read one of the funeral
speeches whilst being heckled, and other such activities. While
improv games can be fun, I think they're inappropriate during an
audition unless they contribute substantially to your evaluation of the
actors (e.g., if the show requires a lot of physicality and an improv
game would demonstrate that, etc.)
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Posted By: red diva
Date Posted: 10/30/06 at 2:18pm
Falstaff29:
Actually, I do believe that improvs contribute to the evaluation of the actors! I wouldn't do them otherwise.....time constraints at auditions don't allow one to do something that is just a time filler!
As I mentioned in my last post, improvs tell me a lot about creativity, ability to work cooperatively with a group, leadership, stage presence, chemistry......all the things that you also look for in a reading. Improvs aren't always physical, though those can be illuminating as you mentioned. There are a lot of activities that focus on verbal participation and interaction. As long as you also leave time for solo and groups readings, I find improvs to be a valuable tool in auditioning.
------------- "I've worked long and hard to earn the right to be called Diva!"
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Posted By: falstaff29
Date Posted: 10/30/06 at 3:09pm
Well, obviously we disagree here.
For the many times I've had to suffer through an (or many) improv exercises during auditions, I've had maybe one time where I understood what purpose it served in evaluating us.
When I direct, I want to know how the actors interact with each other in THE PLAY I'M DIRECTING. Stage presence, chemistry, creativity will come across in how they read the scenes/ monologues. Leadership- I don't want actors who think they're natural leaders- they end up being pains in the ass. I'm the leader. And ability to work cooperatively in a group? A bar to that usu. doesn't come across in auditions, improv or not. I think most actors realize that they should convey civility during an audition. And topical improvs, like telling about a family tradition... eh. I don't care what your family tradition is, even if tradition is important to the show, as long as you can handle the character in the scene.
I think sometimes directors use improv not consciously to waste time but because they've been taught by some acting teacher that improv is valuable and don't know any better. I've never found it to be valuable. Obviously, you feel differently. Maybe I just haven't been exposed to directors who understand it enough to use it well, but, in my experience thus far, it just ain't my style.
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Posted By: castMe
Date Posted: 10/30/06 at 4:57pm
I, too, dislike improv at auditions. Like Falstaff, I want to hear people read from the script of the show I'm directing. Whether they can convincingly play an apple tree usually doesn't interest me. I have taught improv in the past and found it takes a few meetings before any sort of synergy begins. Therefore I never use improv games. Isn't the audition improv to begin with? Sometimes you don't know what the director is looking for beyond a one- or two-sentence description of the characters. I use improv to cast improv and sides of the script to audition a show. I DO, however, believe improv is important for actors. Read "Truth in Comedy" by Charna Halpern and Del Close .
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Posted By: red diva
Date Posted: 10/30/06 at 6:51pm
Yes, we'll agree to disagree on this. Obviously we are looking for and see different things in improvs. I guess if you know what to look for, the improv procedure will work better for you.
I have never been asked to or asked anyone to be an apple tree. There are lots of other improv exercises out there that are pertinent and that deal with human interactions, situations, and emotions. Perhaps, as you say, you haven't been exposed to directors who know how to use it effectively, or who know the right types of improvs to use.
Improvs also let you see an honest representation of the potential of people who don't read aloud well, but who might give you a terrific performance when given the time to work on and memorize the lines.
Let's also remember the topic....ways to make auditions fun and less tense. I made the suggestion as a possible way of achieving this. Some other people besides myself actually do enjoy improvs, and some even utilize them in auditions! (see the following website: http://www.aact.org/documents/AUD1.pdf - http://www.aact.org/documents/AUD1.pdf )
(I don't know if you have to be registered with the AACT message board to be able to access it or not.)
More suggested reading: Stage Directions Guide to Auditions by Stephen Peithman (AACT website webmaster) and Neil Offen, ISBN 0-325-00083-2.
Love these spirited discussions!
------------- "I've worked long and hard to earn the right to be called Diva!"
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Posted By: Tom_Rylex
Date Posted: 10/31/06 at 6:41am
It's great to know if an actor can improvise, as long as that's a very small part of what you're looking for. Example: I was in an audition where the emphasis was improvisation for several of the lead roles. One of the actors was GREAT at improvisation, and showed that he excelled there. He got a lead part.
As the show progressed, he continued to show that he was great at improvisation, since he often did that during practice. We hoped that he would include his lines somewhere in there. Finally, during the show, he showed that he was still great at improvisation, and was more than happy to get a cheap laugh. Since I was just acting that time, I had little authority to stop it. Said actor actually stuck to his cues in my scenes, only because he sensed that I had a growing urge to throw him into the orchestra pit.
I regard improv for most shows like I do a car horn: It's supposed to be for emergencies. You should know how to use it, but hope you don't need to during a show. However, other actors think (improv and car horns) that is a cute way of drawing attention to themselves, and do so with abandon.
Like nuclear power, improv can be used for good or evil, and must be handled carefully. Good sub-thread.
-Tom
------------- The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.
-R. Frost
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Posted By: Linda S
Date Posted: 10/31/06 at 7:58am
I use improv as part of the audition when improv is part of the performance. In 1940's Radio Hour the first 10 muinutes plus are completely improved. I don't ask actors to sing & dance at auditions for a straight show, or do a dramatic monologue for musical comedy. If they need to improv, I include it as part my auditions. I want to see what their strenghts are in relationship to what I need them to do.
Linda
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Posted By: avcastner
Date Posted: 5/20/07 at 12:34pm
I actually like the tension in my actors at auditions. Sometimes it is the only thing I see from them at performance level until performances. (Some actors need the pressure to blossom.)
If I'm casting for a musical, I make sure of two things--can they sing? Can they act while they sing? (We never choose dance-heavy musicals)
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Posted By: theactordavid
Date Posted: 5/22/07 at 5:00pm
Here's a thought:
If I was looking to put together a four-person relay team for the Olympics, I would want to see candidates run. I want the fastest runners. But, they don't just run in a straight line sprinting, they need balance and endurance. They need to be able to run around a corner without losing their footing, and maybe run for a whole quarter mile or more. Also, they need to be able to pass a baton to another runner while that runner is running away from them, and within a restricted amount of space. Actually only three runners need to pass a baton. But three runners need to be able to receive a baton while running away from the person that is trying to pass it to them. And in fact, two of the runners need to be able to receive and pass the baton. One needs to be able to start from a kneeling dead-stop at the sound of a gun. They are not all equal players.
Would I ask any of them to run up to and jump over a bar upside down? throw a javelin or discus? run over hurdles? Nope.
You should think about what it is you want from your actors, and audition them to see if they'll give that to you.
I want actors who can memorize and recite lines, without stepping on other's lines, all while moving as they've been directed to move. I want actors who don't mug for the audience to get laughs. I want actors who will sit down and shut up when it's not their turn. I want actors who will show up on time (by which I mean early enough to start on time), who are prepared for the work ahead for that evening's rehearsal. I want actors who can work cooperatively with others, who are not shy, who can bring some creativity, but also do what is appropriate for the story/part/moment, and ultimately what I as the director tell them to do, or not do. And so on.
I don't want actors who are good with improv. The only improv will come when someone goes up and that should never happen.
I've just worked with an actor who after seven weeks of rehearsal announced at the first off-book that he has trouble memorizing lines. I never thought to ask at auditions. I wouldn't think I'd have had to. Next time I will. You can bet.
I may, for my next audition, a week in advance give the actors a side including stage directions from the play, ask them to memorize it, and have them come to the audition prepared to run it off-book with props in hand, and set pieces in the way. Having them stand in front of me and read a piece of paper gives me nothing except what they look like, what they sound like, and if they can project. Even if they manufacture some action, it will most likely be cliche and inappropriate.
I've done the improv, I've done scene-with-numbers-instead-of-words, I've done the sing a song. I'll let you know how this works out.
------------- There are no small roles, only roles with a low line-load and minimal stage time.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com
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Posted By: B-M-D
Date Posted: 5/22/07 at 5:50pm
Originally posted by theactordavid
I may, for my next audition, a week in advance give the actors a side including stage directions from the play, ask them to memorize it, and have them come to the audition prepared to run it off-book with props in hand, and set pieces in the way. Having them stand in front of me and read a piece of paper gives me nothing except what they look like, what they sound like, and if they can project. Even if they manufacture some action, it will most likely be cliche and innappropriate.
I've done the improv, I've done scene-with-numbers-instead-of-words, I've done the sing a song. I'll let you know how this works out. |
Wow.....heck of a commitment for ct actors to make just for an audition. I actually like it but realistically it wouldn't fly in my neck of the woods. I think I'd have some pretty thin turnouts or no turnout if I tried something like that.
------------- BD
"Dying is easy, comedy is hard."
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Posted By: theactordavid
Date Posted: 5/23/07 at 8:01am
BD - I know what you're saying, but it isn't asking any more of them than what they will do in the production, right? It's just a small sample of that. I might have weeded out my non-memorizer right away. On the other hand, the other guy who sat out the numbers-as-dialogue audition part saying "I'ts not for me" might have done well otherwise, and I'd have traded one situation for another. Who knows. If I do it, I'll report back.
------------- There are no small roles, only roles with a low line-load and minimal stage time.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com
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Posted By: B-M-D
Date Posted: 5/23/07 at 9:17am
Originally posted by theactordavid
BD - I know what you're saying, but it isn't asking any more of them than what they will do in the production, right? It's just a small sample of that. I might have weeded out my non-memorizer right away. On the other hand, the other guy who sat out the numbers-as-dialogue audition part saying "I'ts not for me" might have done well otherwise, and I'd have traded one situation for another. Who knows. If I do it, I'll report back. |
I don't use any touchy feely exercises. theatre games or improvs at auditions or in rehearsal for that matter. But I wouldn't even consider the other extreme of requiring them to memorize a scene. For one it's too much work on my part to get the sides to everyone that might be interested. Nope, just straight up cold readings and show me what you've got. Set up the scene for them, maybe a little direction, wind 'em up and let 'em go. I like to keep things simple.
Believe me I understand where you're coming from but as an actor I'd take a pass on those audition requirements. Haven't the time just for an audition. I have a full time job and family that I don't see enough of when I'm either on stage or directing.
------------- BD
"Dying is easy, comedy is hard."
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Posted By: whitebat
Date Posted: 8/11/07 at 8:30pm
Our last set of auditions, we used a "reader" with one actor at a time auditioning. Our CT has a panel involved in the audition, in addition to the director. Basically the director has the final say, but the panel is there to bounce ideas off, and because we had a really bad nepotism in casting situation that we are determined not to repeat. I feel bad though, because I read for the last play, and an actress who could not project at all got cast, I feel partly because she could act with me reading the audition.
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