Looking for input on these plays.
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Topic: Looking for input on these plays.
Posted By: GoldCanyonLady
Subject: Looking for input on these plays.
Date Posted: 5/13/06 at 9:26pm
We are looking at plays for 2008 and I just wondered if any of you have
done any of these that are on our list to read. So far this list has
been made up from reading the catalog and the Playreading section of
this web site. I hate to order books if anyone has done one or more and
they were not good or difficult to do.
The Absence of a Cello
Murder is a Game
Cahoots
Bad Year for Tomatoes
Daddy's Dyin, Who's got the Will
Faith County
Murder on reserve
Perhaps you have some to suggest that are not on our list.
Barb
------------- Barb Hofmeister,
MountainBrook Village Players, Gold Canyon, Arizona.
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Posted By: slicksister
Date Posted: 5/13/06 at 10:21pm
Ok - I directed A Bad Year for Tomatoes and Faith County. Of the 2 Faith County is my favorite. It is screamingly funny, easy to costume, simple set and the cast can really run with it. The audience LOVED it. Tomatoes is quite funny too, but we had some problems with some of the lines/words in it (mongoloid, retard) so we changed them to make them a little less offensive. The two neighbor ladies absolutely make this show and I had great ones. I would do Faith County again in a heartbeat but perhaps not Tomatoes. Just my opinion.
------------- The Main Thing is to Keep the Main Thing the Main Thing
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Posted By: Unclepeter
Date Posted: 5/15/06 at 11:46pm
We have also done both Faith County and Tomatoes. I have to agree with Slicksister and say that Faith County is my favorite. It is absolutely hysterical if the cast is given somewhat free rein with the characters. They absolutely must be played over he edge, but not in their own eyes.
For my wedding garb, (I was Luther) I had a doubleknit light brown tuxedo with dark brown trim. (And to think someone actually wore that thing before I found it at a flea market!) The tux was several sizes too big, for Luther would not have had one, but borrowed it from someone. For my signature finish, I wore a John Deere baseball cap.
Tomatoes can also be hysterically funny, but again, agreeing with Slicksister, we also changed some of the words (don't like to do it, but if you know your patrons, you know what they will and will not accept.) I think the key to Tomatoes is,again, havinga cast that is not afraid to be a little wild.
We did Tomatoes last year for the second time, the first being about ten years ago. It was a hit both times, but still believe Faith County was a bigger hit with the audiences. We had patrons come to see it twice during the same run, just to catch what they might have missed the first time.
------------- "Good judgement comes from experience - and a lot of that comes from bad judgement." (Will Rogers)
Uncle Peter
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Posted By: Dough Boy
Date Posted: 5/16/06 at 1:08pm
Something in the same vein, but not on your list is "Messiah on the
Frigidaire" It takes place in a trailer park where the image of
Jesus appears on a refrigerator. Funny show, but also has some
poignancy to it. I also hear that the folks who did Dearly
Departed have a sequel called Dearly Beloved. If it's as funny
as the first, it may be worth a read.
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Posted By: B-M-D
Date Posted: 5/18/06 at 1:02am
Quoting slicksister and Unclepeter
"Tomatoes is quite funny too, but we had some problems with some of the lines/words in it (mongoloid, retard) so we changed them to make them a little less offensive."
"...we also changed some of the words (don't like to do it, but if you know your patrons, you know what they will and will not accept.)"
Be extremely careful in changing dialog of an author's play. No theatre company professional or otherwise has the right to do that without the consent of the author and or the organization granting the performance rights. If the dialog will offend your audience I would suggest not doing the play. You open yourself up to a world of legal hassles in changing dialog, no matter how well meaning your intentions.
------------- BD
"Dying is easy, comedy is hard."
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Posted By: slicksister
Date Posted: 5/18/06 at 1:25am
I knew this was going to be pointed out and I was just waiting to give an explanation as to how it happened in our case. i was hoping I wouldn't have to but here goes. When we chose this play not one person had any qualms about the verbige in the script. Not the Board, not the AD, not the SM, not the cast..no one. 6 days before opening the set painter comes in to paint ( long story as to why this was put off till 6 days before opening). She and I are spending many, may hours together. She was someone I knew through my AD but merely an aquaintance not a friend. Any how, about 2 days before opening, the local paper calls me on my cell while at the theatre and asks for an interview about the show. So she and I are on the stage painting and I'm talking to the reporter and happen to mention that the script is a little dated in that it uses words like moron and mongoloid ( a major character makes up a "crazy sister" who lives upstairs). Suddenly my painter bursts into tears and rushes offstage and outside. To make a long story short she had a daughter with Down Syndrome and took offence. She refused to finish the set, called all her friends, called the local newspaper and basically went off the deep end. I apologized like mad, cried myself sick all night, called the board and they chose to change the language to appease her. They did major damage control and I was put in an incredibly awkward position. So, less than 12 hours before opening the words were changed (4 words) and we went on. Never changed words before haven't done it since.... I will refrain from further comment about your post.
------------- The Main Thing is to Keep the Main Thing the Main Thing
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Posted By: B-M-D
Date Posted: 5/18/06 at 1:33pm
I can certainly understand the intention and I'm not sure that I might not have done the same given similar circumstances.
I guess the lessons here are:
1. be accutely aware of what may or may not be offensive your audience.
and
2. never talk to the press.
------------- BD
"Dying is easy, comedy is hard."
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Posted By: k8tt
Date Posted: 5/19/06 at 8:15am
I would definitely do Faith County. I just directed it for our early spring play and we had a blast at rehearsals. We were sold out every show but one. This was the first play that we made lots of money on in 4 years. We had people crying they were laughing so hard. Of course you really need to pick your cast to fit the characters and let them play if for what it's worth.
When I first read the play I didn't like it - thought it was insulting to rural folk. But our rural audience LOVED it. Set is simple, costumes are easy and you have fun at rehearsals. We can't wait to do the sequel!
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Posted By: acmeactor
Date Posted: 5/19/06 at 9:21am
2. never talk to the press. ??????
Learn to talk to the press? Yes
Do interviews in a quiet, private location? Yes
Not talk to them? NO
I can't speak for other parts of the country but if we are lucky enough to actually get a reporter to do an article it is huge and our ticket sales increase greatly. The press is an integral and neccessary part of theater (my PR person calls them a neccessary evil). If you are going to put yourself into a position to be contacted by the press learn to speak with them, have 4 or 5 set quotes you use to describe the show or give insight into it. Learning to speak in quotes will make the articles better, make your reporter's job easier and cover your butt.
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Posted By: Playwright
Date Posted: 5/20/06 at 10:10am
Hi,
I totally agree with you, acmeactor. The press is an intregal part of theatre. I am lucky in that the two theatre critics for papers- one a local paper that comes out 3 times a week & the other a daily (except for Sunday) metropolitan- are fans of my work so they always go out of their way to write stories. One even put my name in the headline which was the first time ever my name was in the headline!!!! Both have in the past given me not-so-good reviews but the faults they pointed out were valid and I learned from them. I've gotten more good than not-so-good reviews. Received some of my best for playing a corpse in a play. I've even gone as far as to email them and thank them for their review (whether good or bad) and we end up back and forth discussions about past theatre experiences. Even though a critic is just one person's point of view, I always learn from them. I may not always agree with what they say but I do respect their opinions as they come from years and years of reviewing plays- professional and community theatre.
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Posted By: castMe
Date Posted: 5/20/06 at 12:57pm
Our local paper, although willing to feature our productions
occasionally on the cover of their weekend "what's happening"
publication, made an editorial decision years ago to not review local
plays. Their reasoning was that at a community theater level it
wasn't fair to critique amateur actors with, what amounts to, an
amateur critic. It would be terrific free publicity for us, but
it frees us from having to soothe battered egos. For some reason,
a few years ago they allowed the local movie critic to review shows for
the (amateur) summer stock theater twenty-some miles away. His
review of 'Lil Abner left Daisy Mae a quivering wreck when he mentioned
who in the cast he thought should have been playing the role.
(Sorry, I can not explain why they won't review shows intown, yet would review those out of town. Many of the actors and directors work at both venues. )
I don't know if the "no review" policy is, on the whole, good or bad,
but I like what Playwright says about e-mailing the critic and engaging
them in theater discussions. Critic are (mostly) human and it
certianly helps to keep THEIR egos assuaged.
------------- Investigate. Imagine. Choose.
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Posted By: B-M-D
Date Posted: 5/20/06 at 4:30pm
My comment "never talk to the press" was tounge-in-cheek. But apparently some folks just didn't get it. Anyway I agree that one must be carefull if you're going be interviewed about a show and conoting anything negative about the play or the production is only going to hurt you in the end. You have use the press to your advantage.
I only wish the local papers would do real reviews at my ct rather a version of our press release of what it's about and who's in it.
------------- BD
"Dying is easy, comedy is hard."
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Posted By: slicksister
Date Posted: 5/20/06 at 7:51pm
Originally posted by castMe
Our local paper, although willing to feature our productions occasionally on the cover of their weekend "what's happening" publication, made an editorial decision years ago to not review local plays. Their reasoning was that at a community theater level it wasn't fair to critique amateur actors with, what amounts to, an amateur critic. It would be terrific free publicity for us, but it frees us from having to soothe battered egos. | OK so I need to jump back in here. This is exactly the policy in the town in which I lived. I had a working relationship with the reporter I was talking to. We were always featured on the front cover of the "what's happening" publication. She didn't even print what the specifics of the outdated language in the play was. I guess my point is that when you talk to the press it's nice to have a relationship with them so you know what they are going to print and what they aren't. I could hae just sent her a press release but it's never as personal. I have always talked to the press and I will continue to do so. PERHAPS I should have spoken to her in total private but I never really gave it a thought at the time.
------------- The Main Thing is to Keep the Main Thing the Main Thing
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Posted By: Joan54
Date Posted: 5/24/06 at 7:56am
Jumping back in the topic a bit.....the painter needs to get a grip....it's THEATER for pete's sake. She should be able to handle a few outdated words. It's not as if someone said something mean directly to her or her daughter. As someone who also has a daughter with a serious mental illness I feel that I can speak from experience. I don't fall to pieces every time someone says loony or mental or nuts. As a matter of fact the whole "political correct" thing about mental illness bugs me.
------------- "behind a thin wall of logic panic is waiting to stampede"
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Posted By: Playwright
Date Posted: 5/24/06 at 10:09am
Joan54,
I totally agree with you. Plays, when written, reflected what life was like at that time. The playwrights then never imagned how life would change in the future. The plays weren't written with the intent of doing harm. They are like a history lesson. A slice of what life was like, what issues were improtant, what beauty there was and what injustices there were. There are many awesome plays written years ago that I'm sure aren't done because of the storyline. I'm mom to two sons with autism. I watch plays, movies etc that are about autism. This whole PC things drives me nuts, too. If we allow it to happen and go too far then many of the treasures that reflect life and times in the past will be lost forever. And not just plays, but books,music, art etc.
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Posted By: Joan54
Date Posted: 5/24/06 at 1:20pm
Yeah. Someone can find something to be offended by in every play...we're working on Taming of the Shrew and you wouldn't believe how many frowns we're getting from the feminist ( and I consider myself one) group. Get over it! We're going to bend a bit by having Kate give a broad wink as the curtain goes down but actually (as the director and I both quietly say) Kate was broken and subdued by the end of that play as Shakespeare wrote it. It's just not funny to "tame" women in our society....although for some reason we are allowed to "tame" men.
And I send a hug across the ether to you as a sister mom of "disordered" kids. Keep the humor in the situation...that's how we make it through every day.
------------- "behind a thin wall of logic panic is waiting to stampede"
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Posted By: Playwright
Date Posted: 5/24/06 at 5:18pm
That's right. If you can't approach life with a optomisticpoint of view, than you'll always be sad and dreading the worst.
My CT did 'Taming of the Shrew' years ago. The crew always wrote a short parody of the play to perform at the closing night party. The parody for this play was called 'Screwing of the Tame'.
A hug right back at you. I had a drywall guy in last week to repair 12 holes in drywall throughout the house that my oldest autistci son did when having his meltdowns. Now, that he's got past puberty, he's settled down and off all meds. Yeah!!!! They were a blessing when we needed them. He still has a huge hole in the bottom half of his bedroom door. The cats like it so as they come and go in and out of his room at will. M-m-m-m. New way a making cat/dog doors. It's sort of become part of the landscape upstairs.
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Posted By: Topper
Date Posted: 5/24/06 at 6:54pm
Small world!
My eldest son (age 16) also has autism. We just got him out of the hospital a couple days ago because we discovered he was ingesting things that weren't food. (Small objects, coins, etc etc.) This was a behavior that we thought he'd outgrown at age 8. It was a rude awakening for all of us.
He also has a neat, fist-sized hole in his bedroom drywall from a frustration outburst. My background in building sets and props has help me learn how to repair just about everything in my house. I haven't had the time to fix that hole just yet.
My wife is a writer and her first full-length play is about the joys and frustrations of raising a child with this disorder. It had a staged reading last year and there is a possibility it will go into a full production this fall. The language in her script is extremely raw and honest and sure to offend those with delicate sensibilities.
PS: When our CT did "Shrew" our take was that Petruchio was enamored with the firey, obstinate Kate and -- when he realizes she is tamed at the play's end -- discovers he's ruined the part of her personality that made their relationship so fun and exciting. It was a bittersweet ending and it still pi**ed people off.
------------- "None of us really grow up. All we ever do is learn how to behave in public." -- Keith Johnstone
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Posted By: Joan54
Date Posted: 5/25/06 at 7:50am
What an interesting twist...we never thought of that one. By the way have any of you "Shrew" people ever seen the DVD performance of the Shrew from the Broadway Theater Archives..1976.? It has got to be the best.....particularly the staging and use of music.....check it out.
I would love to read her play.....hope it gets produced. My daughter has so many funny stories from the psyc. wards I wish we could work them into a play. I know it sounds strange to people unfamilar with daily contact with affective disorders and mental illness but you really do laugh almost as often as you cry....
------------- "behind a thin wall of logic panic is waiting to stampede"
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Posted By: Joan54
Date Posted: 5/25/06 at 7:52am
Oh....I forgot....give us an outline of the "Screwing of the Tame"....sounds like a laugh.....
------------- "behind a thin wall of logic panic is waiting to stampede"
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Posted By: Playwright
Date Posted: 5/25/06 at 8:52am
Hi,
I wish I could. The scripts are usually destoyed after the party. Let's just say the female roles were played by the male crew members who were in drag with balloons in their chests.
I think they basically just re-wrote the lively scene between Kate and what's his name- you know- the scene that alludes to bee stings?
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Posted By: Joan54
Date Posted: 5/25/06 at 10:38am
I get the idea.....
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Posted By: Topper
Date Posted: 5/25/06 at 11:04am
In the early 1980's PBS made an ambitious attempt at producing all of Shakespeare's 37 plays on video. Although the production values were necessarily low-budget, "Taming of the Shrew" cast John Cleese (!) as Petrucchio and was one of their more entertaining efforts. It's certainly worth tracking down to rent.
------------- "None of us really grow up. All we ever do is learn how to behave in public." -- Keith Johnstone
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Posted By: Gaafa
Date Posted: 5/25/06 at 12:08pm
Now there is a clue!
Taming of the shrew. - The Pantomime!
Add a few popular songs [Not from Kiss Me Kate]
& of course the Dame ?Widow Twanky? & a few "he?s behind you"!
That would work along with a few other of ?ol bills shows!
------------- Joe
Western Gondawandaland
turn right @ Perth.
Hear the light & see the sound.
Toi Toi Toi Chookas {{"chook [chicken] it is"}
May you always play
to a full house}
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Posted By: slicksister
Date Posted: 5/25/06 at 5:04pm
When we chose to do Tomatoes nobody had any qualms about he language. I totally agree - Political correctness has gone WAY too far. If nothing else doing that show was a learing experience!
------------- The Main Thing is to Keep the Main Thing the Main Thing
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Posted By: Chris Polo
Date Posted: 5/29/06 at 10:18pm
We've read Faith County, but ended up doing Faith County II: An Evening of Culture. Hysterical show, I think better than the original, and one of my personal favorites, mostly because I'll never have another role that allows me a 10-minute death scene -- got to die all over the stage, take out set pieces while I did it, take an offstage phone call in the middle of it and then go back out to gasp, gurgle and flop my last. Loved it! We did Cahoots this year; I didn't work it except for set design, so it was one of the few shows that I actually got to sit out in the house and watch as an audience member. The director did a great job and he had a wonderful cast -- I actually laughed so hard that I had tears running down my face and my stomach hurt! THAT doesn't happen often. It's a difficult show because there's not a likeable character in it -- the actors and director have to be able to make everything these characters do plausible, as well as keep the audience from turning ugly and hating them all. We've also done Absence of a Cello -- I think it's a terrific period piece, and unusual for its time, in that the wife is an early version of what would eventually come to be called a feminist. It also allowed us to use a bunch of those late 50's, early 60's outfits that people are always donating to theaters. I wouldn't recommend trying to do that one as anything other than a period piece -- it's a real early 60's time capsule. Terrific comedy-drama, though, with really interesting charcters, very witty dialogue and intricate relationships to explore.
------------- Chris Polo
Visit Community Theater Green Room Originals at www.cafepress.com/ctgr
"The scenery in the play was beautiful, but the actors got in front of it." -- Alexander Woolcott
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Posted By: GoldCanyonLady
Date Posted: 5/30/06 at 11:27am
Wow, Chris, that was so helpful. Thanks a bunch---no more than that. I will have to order Faith County II.
I thought the first version would be so easy to do and then maybe we
could two plays in one year (easier set design), but I will look at #2.
Thanks, Barb
------------- Barb Hofmeister,
MountainBrook Village Players, Gold Canyon, Arizona.
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Posted By: GoldCanyonLady
Date Posted: 5/30/06 at 2:10pm
Chris, I just looked at the set design for Cahoots in the back of that
play book. I don't think our stage is deep enough for all of that
---balcony, kitchen and all. Did you follow that design?
Barb
------------- Barb Hofmeister,
MountainBrook Village Players, Gold Canyon, Arizona.
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Posted By: Bethey
Date Posted: 6/04/06 at 6:33pm
I haven't done any of the plays on your list but have read several. Murder is a Game is my absolute favorite. I am DYING to do that play. (Should I say dying when the subject is murder?) Can't decide if I want to direct it or take the lead. We do two shows a year (doing 3 this coming year but that's a long story) and I am committed to the December production. Probably for life as our A Christmas Carol may become an institution. But when I get a free part of a season and I am directing, I think Murder is a Game is for me.
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Posted By: theatregirl325
Date Posted: 6/05/06 at 2:53pm
My company did Murder is a Game a couple years ago, it was a lot of fun. Then the next year we did Murder on the Re-run. So we had a bit of a theme for a couple of years
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Posted By: Chris Polo
Date Posted: 6/09/06 at 5:33pm
Originally posted by GoldCanyonLady
Chris, I just looked at the set design for Cahoots in the back of that play book. I don't think our stage is deep enough for all of that ---balcony, kitchen and all. Did you follow that design?
Barb
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No, I didn't. I had a sofa and chair DSL, the trunk against the wall DSR, the sliding glass door and balcony on the SL wall, dining table and chairs USR, with kitchen entrance offstage R, and the front door USC. The director liked that much better than what was in the book -- he was having nightmares about how he was going to block conversations around someone standing in the trunk in front of the sofa, and about throwing someone off the balcony if everything was plainly visible because the balcony was USC. I'll try to find a photo of the set and post it for you.
------------- Chris Polo
Visit Community Theater Green Room Originals at www.cafepress.com/ctgr
"The scenery in the play was beautiful, but the actors got in front of it." -- Alexander Woolcott
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Posted By: KenW
Date Posted: 6/14/06 at 10:42am
Our group did "Daddy's Dying, Who's Got The Will?" a few years ago. It is really an intense yet funny exploration of a Domestic abuse, among other things. The whole thing really needs a strong Momma and Harmony.
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