Charging Costume Fees To Actors
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Topic: Charging Costume Fees To Actors
Posted By: jonikarol
Subject: Charging Costume Fees To Actors
Date Posted: 11/01/05 at 1:12pm
Hi All!
Anyone aware of the practice of a theatre charging the *actors* a fee to offset costs for their costumes?
I've been acting for over 25 years and directing for at least ten of
that in an area that supports over 85 theatre companies and I don't
know of even ONE of those theatres practicing such.
I am about to direct a show in a nearby town and the artistic director
tells me that the cast will be required to pay a $25 fee to rent their
costumes and are responsible for paying the (refundable) deposit on
their costumes as well. This theatre has an agreement with a
costume rental business and pays that company to provide costuming for
all their shows throughout the year. They pay most of the fee, and the
actors pay $25 and the deposit to ensure they will care for their
costumes. In addition, since there's a "deal", my bringing
my costumers, even if they were more economical than the present setup,
is questionable, because the rental business will lose that money or
the theatre will have to pay it anyway.
Anyone else hear of such a practice? I never have. The
artistic director is trying to tell me other theatres do this as if I
just "fell off the turnip truck," and don't know what other theatres
do.
I strongly feel a volunteer cast should *never* be *required* to pay
for anything to do with a production, *especially* in an area such as
mine where film and theatre work is so abundant that talent can go
where they want and NOT pay a fee.
Thanks for your feedback!
Joni
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Posted By: Shatcher
Date Posted: 11/01/05 at 2:55pm
never heard of this although I have heard of having actors bring some of thier own pieces or making them pay for any damage caused by them that does not occur in the run of the show (cig burns that kind of thing.)
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Posted By: MartyW
Date Posted: 11/01/05 at 3:00pm
I heard a similar one just last night... It appears our big "Once A Year" musical production company is charging 50 bucks to particpate (ostensibly to cover costuming issues) That was a bit of an OUCH to hear. But that wasn't the worst of it. Our arts council runs a youth theater and AFTER they cast the Christmas show they announced that they too were adding a participation fee of $50. (Per kid!) That can be a chunk of money for some families, especially near Christmas. And as Ron Popeal says... "Wait... There's more!" They even want to charge the participation fee for thier TECH people!!!!
Hoy....
------------- Marty W
"Till next we trod the boards.."
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Posted By: Linda S
Date Posted: 11/01/05 at 3:18pm
Wow! I am speechless. More then anything else, I am amazed that the cast didn't protest or walk out. I directed the christmas musical last year. I had whole families involved. It would have been $300 for one family! I had four on stage and two doing tech. What a way to say thank you for volunteering!
Linda
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Posted By: Joan54
Date Posted: 11/01/05 at 3:22pm
What? I have never heard of this. I did fall off of a turnip truck lately so maybe I am wrong. I have been designing and making costumes for oh- about thirty years - from kindergarten to Opera. Never heard of it. I think it smells.
If the actors provide their own costumes are they exempt from the fee? If not - then it smells even worse.
Can other costume design/ rental companies bid on this contract to supply wardrobe?
I'm with you, Joni...volunteers shouldn't have to pay to work - and Marty....did I read that right? The Tech people are being charged for "participation"? I would "participate" in a brisk walk to the nearest exit.
Imagine that you had two children cast in the "musical" - now you have to tell them that they can't be in it because you don't have the 100$? At least the parents should have been informed before they let the children get their hearts set on being in the play. The arts council should be ashamed of themselves.
------------- "behind a thin wall of logic panic is waiting to stampede"
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Posted By: Kathy S
Date Posted: 11/01/05 at 4:32pm
One year when we did a big musical we asked everyone in the cast who needed a libretto to give us a check for $25 which would be held by the Assistant Director and returned when their libretto was returned at the end of the run to the Assistant Director with all of the marks erased from it. Our reasoning was that if one of the books was lost or if they were damaged, $25 was the charge that the royalty company would assess to our company. We didn't lose any books and they all came back nicely cleaned up. Several cast members even told us to keep the check as their membership dues for the year.
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Posted By: Shatcher
Date Posted: 11/01/05 at 5:35pm
pay to tech a show? lol no way!
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Posted By: Topper
Date Posted: 11/01/05 at 9:04pm
Costuming should be budgeted by the theater into
the cost of doing a show. Period.
Making actors pay a rental fee is ludicrous and
sounds like an illegal kickback to me. Somebody is
making money off this that shouldn't be.
If the producer can't afford "Beauty and the Beast" or
"Les Miz" there's always "The Fantasticks" available.
I understand it's quite popular.
------------- "None of us really grow up. All we ever do is learn how to behave in public." -- Keith Johnstone
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Posted By: Scott B
Date Posted: 11/02/05 at 2:55am
We've done it in the past ... $25 actor's fee, but essentially it
covered part of the costume rental. Since it's a very small CT
and depends solely on ticket sales, there just wasn't enough to make it.
No familiy paid more than $75 and no one ever complained. They understood the situation.
Since I took over as president we have eliminated the fee.
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Posted By: MartyW
Date Posted: 11/02/05 at 9:48am
Joan & Snatcher... You are SOOOOOO right. That has been the responce of the local tech gaggle as well.. Hope they have a nice show, but the usuall tech crew which comes from our one full time CT will be missing THAT kind of fun....
------------- Marty W
"Till next we trod the boards.."
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Posted By: jphock
Date Posted: 11/02/05 at 10:04am
The group I work with started with a $35 costume fee 2 years ago when they were producing Ragtime with a cast of 65. The thought was that the cast was so large and there were such a variety of costumes needed (I was in the Ensemble and had 9 costume changes!) that this was the only way we could afford to costume everyone. It was well understood at auditions that this was the case and there were few (if any) complaints.
This year they asked for the same costume fee for The Secret Garden....with a cast of only 20 and 95% of us wore the same costume through the entire show (after all..they got away with it last year). I know that serveral of the cast complained about the cost. In fact, I know for that my costume cost a total of $11 (I was with the costumer when she purchased it), although I didn't complain about the cost. I considered it as a donation to the advancement of the arts.
I have since been voted onto the Board of Directors of this group. I can assure you that I'll be lobbying heavily against the costume fee for next year's show. We should be able to manage our finances to allow for costume rental/construction.
As a side note...If we charged our tech crew a fee to participate...I can guarantee you I'd be turning my own lights on and off and carrying my own set pieces..LOL
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Posted By: jonikarol
Date Posted: 11/02/05 at 5:18pm
Topper,
Funny you should mention Beauty and The Beast. This theatre has
cut it's teeth and grossed HUGE profits from such productions as Beauty
and The Beast.
You'd think they could afford to pay the whole tab on the
costumes. That's what I don't get. They pay the costume
shop a flat yearly "discounted" fee regardless of how many
costumes are required for any production throughout that year. It's
some contracted amount and the story I'm getting is that actors need to
kick in to "offset" the pricing
and since my actors only have to pay $25 of that fee I'm being told
we're getting a deal. I think it's a kickback too.
Seems to me like they're not recruiting costumers, or they don't want
to keep an inventory, or something I'm not being told. I found
FIVE WONDERFUL costumers for the last production I did elsewhere.
I could probably enlist at least two for this show -- but there's no
inventory to work with -- unfortunately there never will be if they
keep contracting the work.
Ok. I'm done with the rant.
Thanks for the feedback everyone!
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Posted By: Joan54
Date Posted: 11/03/05 at 7:43am
Good point, jonikarol, if the costumes are "supplied" for every performance by an off-site company there is no inventory. Personally one of the things I love about theater is the racks of costumes and boxes of props...it is one of the few concrete remainders of each play..endlessly recycled...sifted through fondly..every hat and cup a story to be told. I realize that storage is always an issue and I dream of the day when I can get all of this stuff out of my house and barn and lovingly organize it all. Somehow...if everything went back to a distant rental company at the close of the play it would be as if it never happened.
------------- "behind a thin wall of logic panic is waiting to stampede"
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Posted By: slicksister
Date Posted: 11/03/05 at 4:35pm
I have been in several theater companies wher ethis is the norm. However I came up with a way to offset the cost of costumes without anybody having to pay out of pocket. Everyone in the cast is required to sell at least one $25 ad for the program. This money goes towards the costumes and it is understood that even if your costume doesn't have to be rented another person in the show may need to have 3 rented costumes. This has been met with little or no opposition and seems a "fair" way to handle things all around
------------- The Main Thing is to Keep the Main Thing the Main Thing
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Posted By: Wishbone
Date Posted: 11/03/05 at 8:36pm
At my youth theater we pay $40 to be involved the show per family. Then there is a $25 costume fee, but $15 is returned to you if the costume is returned in good condition. The extra $10 goes to dry clean the costume.
I feel the costume fee is good because when you are working with children, there always has to be a, for lack of a better word, bribe so the children won't spill on their costumes.
No one has ever complained about the money involved. My parents think of it as extremely low cost day care and so do many other parents. Also, you find out about the fee when you audition. If you can't pay it, my director will understand and still let you be in the show.
Just my two cents.
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Posted By: Davenport Scott
Date Posted: 10/23/06 at 11:45am
I know this is an old topic, but....
I have never been involved with a community or avocational theatre that charged people to participate. I would be horrified! If the theatre doesn't have the budget to do a show then they need to rethink thier strategy.
Fundraising is great, and I bet a lot of people would donate if asked. But to require a participation fee on top of donating time and energy? Don't think I could support that.
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Posted By: VPA1
Date Posted: 10/25/06 at 12:09pm
I'm directing BEAST right now and face this issue...but no, no fees at all for acting and crewing.
That being said, I DO require the actors buy their own shoes. Too
often dance shoes disappear at the end of the run or are not usable
afterwards. The upside to this is that they get to KEEP their own shoes
after the show.
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Posted By: Linda S
Date Posted: 10/25/06 at 2:19pm
I always offer my casts the opportunity to order character shoes at cost for the same reason. Most do becuase the price is so reasonable. For those that can't, I have had number of people who hace donated thier shoes back to the theater and we can always work something out.
Linda
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 10/31/06 at 3:23pm
I teach and took over the drama program when rentals cost about $35 per change. The tradition was to charge the students or have them come up with their own costume. I tried that once, and got hideously modern clothing for a historical piece.
We have neither the space nor the facilities to do costumes in house--and being the only teacher, I don't have the time to produce, direct, build a set, set up the lights, mix the sound, and do costumes.
We currently use a costumer who works with our very strict dress code standards. However, due to energy and rent costs rising in the LA area, we are now being charged over $75 a costume, with an extra $1000 for the designer to pick up and deliver as well as do the costume parade with us.
We used to charge the fee listed as a "costume fee," but now I charge the fee as a participation fee, which is budgeted into covering the costume charges.
I have looked for other costumers, who end up being just as expensive if not more expensive when you add in shipping and cleaning costs.
Having to handle all of the drama program, there is very little time for fundraising--especially since I have to compete with all the other groups on campus doing their own fundraisers. I've found that most of our fundraisers bring in $300 max for 20 hours of work--I can make more than that working a part-time job and donating it.
Ticket sales and program ads don't pay for everything. Last year we were hit with gigantic set construction costs due to the increase in lumber prices (Katrina). So far, I haven't seen lumber going down, either.
I volunteer my personal time and efforts to our program, but I can't afford to make up in budget gaps out of my own pocket. We charge $120 (payable over three months) for participation in the program. It works out to be cheaper than our after-school day care for the same amount of time the students are in rehearsal.
I just don't see how a theatre in our situation and area can make it without charging a fee. If we charge too much for the tickets, we won't sell any--so raising ticket prices isn't the answer.
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Posted By: teridtiger
Date Posted: 10/31/06 at 3:41pm
Since we have a very intimate theatre with minimal offsite costume/set storage, we stay away from large-scale (i.e., big budget) shows. I try to choose scripts with costume needs that can be supplied from actors' own wardrobes and/or thrift stores. Of course, we pay for cleaning costs of all items during the run of the show.
At the end of each show, selected costume and prop items that were bought for the show are available for purchase by cast and crew for half the original cost of the item. Items are assessed whether or not we will actually use it again and/or if we have the storage to keep it around. The funds collected are credited back to the appropriate budget line for that particular show.
Lots of actors like to have a keepsake from a show, especially if it's something they've worn and fall in love with. Shoes and wigs are hot re-sell items. Although my favorite re-sell story was a leopard print corset from Frederick's of Hollywood. The actress who wore it on stage bought it to "thank" her husband for his patience while she was at rehearsals and performances!
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Posted By: falstaff29
Date Posted: 10/31/06 at 4:22pm
I don't think charging a costume fee is appropriate. Something
just doesn't feel right about it. There are ways to get around
it. One I don't think anyone's mentioned yet:
If the clothing is specific, try to work something out with a local
business. For various shows, we've been loaned tuxes, various
ethnic clothing, etc. for huge discounts in exchange for giving them
advertising- a sheet in the program, sometimes (with more exotic
clothing), a posterboard of the cast in the costumes in the theater
lobby.
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Posted By: Bevy
Date Posted: 2/22/07 at 10:05pm
My question is this: do you not spend money on your other hobbies? Our CT struggles to meet all the cost, provide quality theatre (and we do), and make any kind of profit. I don't think it is out of line to spend a few dollars on your passion...even if it in the form of a costume fee. On occasion, we charge a costume fee. Scholarships are always available who can't pay and we do offer family rates.
------------- Bev
Fenton Village Players
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Posted By: Linda S
Date Posted: 2/23/07 at 8:49am
I am sorry Bev, but It's not the same thing as spending money on another hobby like scrapbooking or minature golf where your responsibility is to no one but yourself. The theater, as a business, is relying on the actors to perform a function in order for them to exist. If someone misses a scrapbooking class or a round of minature golf there is no loss to anyone but them. If an actor doesn't show-up to a performance it could be catastrophic for the rest of the cast, the patrons, and the theatre. I would never ask those wonderful volunteers, who give so much in order for my theater to exist, to pay for anything. I would be mortified if the theater made a profit because the actors had paid for their own costumes. I have pounded the pavement and spent hours on the phone finding underwriters and donations. We have cultivated a costume loan system with most of the the other theaters in the area including the professional theater and the university. (By the way, the university borrowed costumes from me yesterday.) Just like any business, if you can't afford to do it, you shouldn't be doing it. You need to rethink your play selections and do things within your budget, just like any good business.
Sorry about the rant.
Linda
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Posted By: vpaoffice
Date Posted: 2/27/07 at 4:20pm
YIKES! We just did our huge musical for the season, "Beauty and the Beast", and our costuming costs were through the roof. But that was something that we had to consider before selecting the show. It would have been horrible to ask a family of six to pay $50 each to pay for costumes. As a CT, you have to consider that you are asking a lot of a volunteer to give up so many hours for rehearsals and performances. But to ask them to PAY to be in a show? That seems cruel. We just have to be smart about recouping our losses. For example, we are going to auction off the costumes that are too specific be used for other productions (i.e. Mrs Potts, Cogsworth, Lumiere).
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Posted By: Nanette
Date Posted: 2/27/07 at 10:30pm
Perhaps I'm a little off topic here, but why do CT's tend to budget $ for areas like sets, musicians, etc., but rarely for costumes? Sure, flats can be painted and reused, but costumes can also be redesigned for multiple shows.
I actually worked for a theatre once that, when I asked what my costuming budget would be, told me that I had no budget ... that I would have to sew from rags ... and they were serious!!! I literally took apart moldy curtains, torn bed linens, and old church choir robes to make costumes. Other theatres pay everyone BUT the costume designer (and then give them no budget on top of it).
To charge a "costume fee" is inappropriate. If you need funds, simply call it a "production fee" and spread the money around a bit.
------------- In a world of margarine, be butter!
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Posted By: whitebat
Date Posted: 8/13/07 at 11:47pm
It sounds like some people should have a "damage deposit" rather than a fee (worried about damaging costumes). We never charged a costume fee, but we do sell our scripts to the actors at cost. If the script is not returned in good condition (and not highlighted), you are expected to pay for it. Many people like to have the script for a memento.
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Posted By: BillCVFT
Date Posted: 9/11/07 at 5:01pm
I've always had mixed emotions about charging fees to people participating. The argument always goes that people pay fees for every other activity, and they should pay for theater participation as well. I wish we could get to the point, financially, where we could feel we didn't have to, but the reality is, it's just one more revenue source (ticket sales, concessions, donations, and grants being the others). And, if nothing else, it reduces drop-outs from the cast once people have a little skin in the game.
Our CT used to charge all actors a participation fee (per person, w/ a max per family) and also a fee for their costume/s, up to a $50 maximum. This got to be a nightmare for the costumer to keep track of, so I simplified it and changed it to an all encompassing "Participation fee" which is is now typically $50/actor, $150 max/family. No fees for musicians, crew, etc. This eliminates the nightmare for the costumer, and the actors get a portion of it back in the form of free meals between matinee/evening shows, and a dinner after strike. If people have a problem with this, they don't show it. We still get plenty of folks auditioning.
Bill, CVFT
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Posted By: cujimmy
Date Posted: 9/11/07 at 6:24pm
Crazy. Who collects the cash at the door? Who gets control of the the whole process? If anyone asked my actors to pay up, I'd tell them they better recast and find a new Director. We're already donating our time with no return. If you can't make enough to cover costs through the door, then put on better shows, advertize more, run extra shows. Don't charge those who are donating their time already. BEVY says "Don't you pay for your hobbies?" Give me a break. I lose $5000-$10000 everytime I Direct a show because I lose time at work to attend rehearsals. You sound like the typical front office personel.
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Posted By: bovious
Date Posted: 12/04/07 at 2:11pm
Funny y'all should be talking about this. I just sent the following note to my theater's board.
Folks,
I have distributed this to all the (redacted) board members in my address book. Please forward to any board members who are not included.
It's come to my attention that a new practice is in place at (redacted) that disturbs me greatly.
It is shocking and completely beyond the pale to omit player bios in the program, ESPECIALLY due to the "high cost of the program" as I have been told is the reason. Surely this small bit of recognition is due the players, who have after all sold advertising into that very program.
Additionally, I have bit my tongue as I have paid each $15 "insurance fee" for the privilege of appearing in shows at (redacted). At first I paid gladly due to my ignorance of how things are normally done in Community Theater. However, my experience with other groups has taught me that this practice is unheard of and it should be stopped. The Board needs to swallow this as a cost of doing business.
I hope you know that I have enjoyed my relationship with (redacted) greatly and have done some of my proudest work there. However, I will not be able to continue this relationship beyond "It's A Wonderful Life" unless these two practices end. I realize that it is probably too late to insert player bios into our current programs, and would certainly not anticipate refunds for "It's A Wonderful Life" fees...although I'm sure that would be much appreciated by all.
Please consider this before making a snap response. I believe we have much to offer one another.
Sincerely, (My Name)
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