Taking on The Double Role
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Topic: Taking on The Double Role
Posted By: JamesG
Subject: Taking on The Double Role
Date Posted: 5/16/05 at 8:46pm
This is actually the reason why I joined up in this
forum. I recently got an offer to play a double role with a friend's
community theatre presentation. I know this has been done in the past,
but as far as my own talents are concerned, I'm kind of unsure that I
could pull it off on the theatre stage. Anyone else ever have a chance to
take on this type of role or possibly know more about it than I do.
I can only think of a few times that this has been successful on the
big screen. Peter Sellers was amazing pulling off multiple
characters
and being hilarious doing it, and Naomi Watts was excellent in
"Mulholland Drive." Most recently, the actress Marie Bonnevie did
an
amazing job playing two completely opposite personalities in the film
"Reconstruction," but, of course, the brilliant cinematography really
helped separate her characters as well (it was finally released by
Universal after what seemed like forever). Anyone who's seen
these films
also knows how talented these actors/actresses are, too. Just curious if anyone has more insight....
------------- James
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Posted By: tristanrobin
Date Posted: 5/17/05 at 8:28am
I'm involved in a production right now of "Spoon River
Anthology" (actually, we open this weekend). Four actors
portray 60+ characters.
The main challenge with dual roles is that the same amount of
work done for any characterization, must be done twice.
Frankly, that's a lot of work ... but a good director can ease the
way for you by being very specific about the goals for each
character.
There are plays, of course, that almost require dual-role-
playing - though the plays technically have one character going
through EXTREME personality changes ("The Mousetrap,"
"The Nerd," etc.), the actor is basically building two separate
characterizations.
Good luck!
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Posted By: JamesG
Date Posted: 5/17/05 at 6:03pm
I know it's going to be a lot of extra work, but I'm also worried about
being able to separate both characters in the performance, too.
Sure, there's costume changes, etc, but you still want audience to see
you as two separate characters as well, unless, of course, there's an
inherent connection between the characters that you want to express.
The reason why I brought up Reconstruction is because Marie does such
an excellent job at the split, even though we're supposed to see the
duality of her characters. Sometimes you even forget that one
woman is playing both roles...yet both characters have a similar bond
that they're lovers of the protagonist, if that makes any sense at all
(probably not, lol).
Thanks for the info though, I'll have to tell you how it comes along in the next few weeks.
------------- James
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Posted By: Tom_Rylex
Date Posted: 5/20/05 at 12:48am
Dual roles can actually be fun to play. The difficulty involved depends
partly on the kind of roles you have, and on your acting style.
The way that I try to pull this off is to develop as much "character contrast" as I can.
Physical (the simple stuff):
*Costume changes should try to do what you can to be different (colors, hats, styles, hair, glasses -- just don't overdo it).
*Don't plan on changing makeup, unless you have time to do it right. If
you really, really, have to do a quick makeup change, you will need
several competent people waiting in the wings ready to give you a power
makeover.
Acting (the harder stuff):
My own personal preference is to take ownership (internalize) my
character. When I am on stage, I am that character. When I leave, the
character stays there. You probably do something similar. Playing a
double role isn't much different. If you've been in more than one play,
you've internalized more than one role in your life. This is the same,
only on a more compressed time scale.
The twist that you need to add over playing a single role is the
concept of character contrast. There is usually more than one way to
play a role. You basically need to make sure that your different roles
pick interpretations of their parts that are different from one
another. Use all the tools in your arsenal: voice, pace, posture,
movement, etc. I find that if all the characters I own all _think_
differently, then the character contrast just comes naturally.
I've done this in several plays. In an extreme case, I had to play 5
roles in the same play due to unexpected dropouts. They were all single
scene characters, so it was at least possible to do. That was wierd,
but an interesting challenge.
Good luck!
------------- The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.
-R. Frost
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Posted By: jenniz
Date Posted: 11/16/06 at 11:13am
For our shows often we have students with two or sometimes more roles (once we had a great little actress play 5 roles!!).
Our biggest problem never seemed to be getting the character right but getting costume changes done on time!
I have in one show, played a commoner and her queen. An interesting experience to be sure. Lucky for me they were extremes. Also in a whacked out version of the Shrew I played a scene as Katerina and was fully cast as Baptista Minoloa (who happened to be a famous Soap Opera actress). Both were exciting experiences. As I said though, the main problem was changing from Baptista's mini dress to Kate's in a matter of a few minutes!
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Posted By: jayzehr
Date Posted: 11/16/06 at 1:44pm
But is one actor playing multiple roles a copyright violation?
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Posted By: TonyDi
Date Posted: 11/16/06 at 2:13pm
Originally posted by jayzehr
But is one actor playing multiple roles a copyright violation? |
I don't think there is any copyright violation in this regard. Hard to say. But why would there be if there is?? Can't really think of one - especially if for instance, an emergency arose and one person had to drop out last minute or something - only to be able to fill it with someone already familiar with what is going on onstage - that's either the director or another actor who might be filling in a smaller role someplace else in the show. So actors CAN and DO double all the time...in shows where you really don't have a way to accommodate the masses.
There is a show I directed a number of years ago - called THE DINING ROOM. FUN show to do and much like TristanRobins show with 60 characters - this one had 6 or 7 actors doing anywhere from 4 - 6 characters each or thereabout (can't remember too long ago). But the KEY I think - from the standpoint as a director first is that you cast people who you know can handle those scene to scene transitions and shifts of character. Now if YOU as a director can't give them what they need to be able to do that should they not readily possess that capability, then perhaps it's a bad choice to try to direct something of that specific nature.
As an actor, I think what it boils down to is nothing more than analysis - sheer HOMEWORK working toward finding those things which define clearly each character that has to be portrayed. There is one scene where 5 or 6 of the characters are children at a dinner table at a birthday party. And in the next scene they're adults with one of them as an old lady. But you just have to find the things about each individual character that clearly defines who they are and then work toward acting out those characteristics. I'll tell you - I wouldn't want to do it as an actor. I WAS able to do it as a director becasue first, I had GREAT actors. But secondly as a director it was like directing 30 - 40 some odd DIFFERENT character actors. All I could convey is what I saw NOT out of the 6 or 7 actors I used, but what I needed to see from AN ACTOR PLAYING A INDIVIDUAL ROLE!!! As I recall, I think I even did some shifting around of character types from the script, utilizing the strengths that each actor possessed to be able to handle the "character type" I felt they could best portray. Now as in TristanRobins case - with only 4 actors playing 60 roles - let's see the math = 15 roles apiece more or less depending upon what the script called for. THAT is tougher still.
Honestly I think it's just a matter of strength of the actor and the ability to consciously SHIFT gears without flinching, and NOT carrying one character over into another UNLESS there are SUPPOSED to be similarities. Takes a lot of thought and a lot of homework. FURTHER, it takes an audience a little time to "get it" or to "catch on" but once they do - and that has to happen quickly in the beginning of the show - but once they do, then it becomes much easier for an actor to "put it out there" and have it be accepted - EVEN if for some reason there is some occasional bleed over of one character in one scene to another character in another scene. Audiences - by that time (we hope) have caught on and are willing to take the ride with you regardless. BUT MAN it IS HARD to do. It is a great exercise though for an actor.
Sounds like fun. Be sure to HAVE some fun. Drastic changes can make it a lot easier...subtle changes are harder to pull off. Good luck.
------------- "Almost famous"
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Posted By: falstaff29
Date Posted: 11/16/06 at 4:23pm
What show is this dual role in?
(And, by the way, you totally rock for mentioning Mulholland Dr., which is probably my favorite movie ever.)
Just some thoughts on double roles: I think they work best with two elements:
1. a great makeup artist who can actually make them look different
(unless there's a metatheatrical joke about how they're played by the
same actor, eg, the constables in Accidental Death of an Anarchist).
2. some sort of thematic reason.
I've been in a number of shows where I've had a handful of bit parts or
something (eg, Shakespeare), and my feeling has always been that it
lessens the impact I can make with any of the roles, because it's some
bar to suspension of disbelief. I'd rather be in the show less
and just be one role. When I direct, I make every effort not to
give actors multiple roles.
One exception that I think works really well is where the combination
of characters lends some interesting meaning to the show, by drawing a
parallel between characters. E.g.,
casting the same actor as Theseus and Oberon in Midsummer, or both dukes in As You Like It.
Probably one of the most interesting uses of an actor in dual roles was
in a production I saw of Romeo & Juliet, where the actor who played
Tybalt got his revenge on Romeo from the grave, in a sense, by also
playing the apothecary!
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Posted By: jayzehr
Date Posted: 11/16/06 at 6:33pm
Originally posted by TonyDi
I don't think there is any copyright violation in this regard. Hard to say. But why would there be if there is?? Can't really think of one - especially if for instance, an emergency arose and one person had to drop out last minute or something - only to be able to fill it with someone already familiar with what is going on onstage - that's either the director or another actor who might be filling in a smaller role someplace else in the show. So actors CAN and DO double all the time...in shows where you really don't have a way to accommodate the masses. |
Sure, it happens all the time. People also change profanity and gender (often in "emergency" situations) all the time and we've already established that is a copyright infrigement. Someone also talks about double casting for "thematic" reasons. How far could you take that? Say someone insane has a thematic reason to cast the same actor as Felix and Oscar or Estragon and Vladimir? Couldn't that show be shut down? So where is the line in between that and double casting minor characters? I don't know, I'm just asking. It seems OK with me but I thought it was OK to change actor gender without getting permission.
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Posted By: falstaff29
Date Posted: 11/17/06 at 12:04am
Ok, just to defend what I actually said:
Obviously having the same actor play Felix and Oscar, since they're on
stage together, would be a material change to the script, and therefore
a copyright violation. I never suggested anything as ridiculous
as that.
And while I can't profess to know whether casting an actor in multiple
roles is a copyright violation in situations where they physically could be
played by the same actor, you should note that I covered myself by
solely mentioning examples from Shakespeare, which is public domain.
By the way, I have a username; you make it sound like I'm an enigma ("Someone also talks about....").
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Posted By: jayzehr
Date Posted: 11/17/06 at 3:37am
Originally posted by falstaff29
By the way, I have a username; you make it sound like I'm an enigma ("Someone also talks about....").
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Sorry, I had hit the reply for someone else's post and couldn't remember who had said what. Just being lazy. I also didn't mean to be confrontational, I was speculating for the sake of conversation. I'm curious now about how strict this copyright violation business can actually be.
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Posted By: teridtiger
Date Posted: 11/17/06 at 4:37pm
Some shows specify in the cast breakdown "with doubling" or "flexible casting".... language to that effect.
The example of "The Dining Room" was brought up as one such show. It is traditionally performed with several actors taking on multiple roles. So is "The Laramie Project".... and "How I Learned to Drive".
From Dramatists website, here is the link to "The Laramie Project": http://dramatists.com/cgi-bin/db/single.asp?key=2955 - http://dramatists.com/cgi-bin/db/single.asp?key=2955
And, "How I Learned to Drive": http://dramatists.com/cgi-bin/db/single.asp?key=2683 - http://dramatists.com/cgi-bin/db/single.asp?key=2683
And "The Dining Room": http://dramatists.com/cgi-bin/db/single.asp?key=1279 - http://dramatists.com/cgi-bin/db/single.asp?key=1279
It's pretty clear for these shows that flexible casting/doubling is okay (in fact, encouraged).
Obviously, plays that are in the public domain (such as Shakespeare and Wilde) can be cast any which way, as no copywrights are in effect.
With regard to shows which don't necessarily specify if doubling can be used, if you're not sure, then perhaps your question can best be answered by inquiring at the publishing house.
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Posted By: eveharrington
Date Posted: 11/17/06 at 7:50pm
Originally posted by teridtiger
Some shows specify in the cast breakdown "with doubling" or "flexible casting".... language to that effect.
The example of "The Dining Room" was brought up as one such show. It is traditionally performed with several actors taking on multiple roles. So is "The Laramie Project".... and "How I Learned to Drive".
From Dramatists website, here is the link to "The Laramie Project": http://dramatists.com/cgi-bin/db/single.asp?key=2955 - http://dramatists.com/cgi-bin/db/single.asp?key=2955
And, "How I Learned to Drive": http://dramatists.com/cgi-bin/db/single.asp?key=2683 - http://dramatists.com/cgi-bin/db/single.asp?key=2683
And "The Dining Room": http://dramatists.com/cgi-bin/db/single.asp?key=1279 - http://dramatists.com/cgi-bin/db/single.asp?key=1279
It's pretty clear for these shows that flexible casting/doubling is okay (in fact, encouraged).
Obviously, plays that are in the public domain (such as Shakespeare and Wilde) can be cast any which way, as no copywrights are in effect.
With regard to shows which don't necessarily specify if doubling can be used, if you're not sure, then perhaps your question can best be answered by inquiring at the publishing house. |
This is a good point, I remember the script for "Moon Over Buffalo" specified that certain characters could be double cast in the opening sequence but that the actors for other characters could not be used.
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