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    Posted: 10/14/04 at 11:32pm

How do you deal with actors having difficulty with their lines?

At what point in time do you just cut bait?

To me, somebody having line trouble ruins the whole experience.  I can't work with the cast on relationships, pace, whatever, until everybody's off-book.  It's extremely frustrating -- and especially hard for me to deal with, because I have no trouble learning lines.  So, it's hard for me to have sympathy.

Thoughts?

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bullet Posted: 10/15/04 at 12:34pm

I think that we have all had that problem and you are exactly right - you can't move forward with anything until everyone is comfortably off book.

I have had the problem with several actors - we are a retirement community and we do plays that appeal to an older audience and that usually means older actors. 

In one case the lead was a 65+ woman who had over half the lines in a 2 1/2 hour play (my fault!!).  She worked on her lines every spare moment and still had problems.  At some point she started taking some natural supplement (Ginko Biloba???) and it really, really helped.  I am not into  these types of supplements but it did work for her.

In another case, the problem was not lack of effort on the actors part.  She worked incredibly hard but lines that were there at lunch were gone by the evening rehearsal.  She spent 8 hours a day outside of rehearsal on her lines - I had the feeling that she was trying too hard - not getting one scene down before moving on to another and just confusing her.  I talked to a lot of people about whether I should replace her and my final decision was to stay with her (over the vocal objections of some of the other cast members).  This is community theater.  If I replaced the actor, the entire community would have been aware of it.  I cast the show and I had to live with that choice. 

We did many things to ease the problem - we let the actor make up "cheat sheets" and carry them during the play.  They were in a receipe book, family almanac, sewing kit, in drawers and so on.  We spent an incredible amount of time on Improv.  We did run through after run through with the other actors learning to fill in the gaps - they got quite good at it.  Every time she came off stage, we gave her a card with her next scene on it to refresh her.  I had a back stage person there to make sure she made her entrances and so on.  The really strange thing was that it came together just before we opened - We opened on Thursday, on the Saturday before opening she couldn't remember a line, then on Sunday, she showed up and remembered lines she forgot a month ago.  The show never got to the level it should have but we were all satisfied with the result.

I saw a (very unsatisfactory) attempt to wire an actor having trouble with lines.  They read the lines to him through an earpiece.  There was always a very long pause before the actor said his lines while they read them to him and some times he still got them wrong and they had to re-read them.

In a final case that I know of, the actor gracefully withdrew from the production.  Time was short and it was the leading role so a professional actor was brought in.

I have learned a couple of lessons:  I spend a lot of early rehearsal time on HOW to learn lines.  Different people need different methods.  I make sure that they realize that there is no "silver bullet".  Learning lines is hard work and nothing works except doing the work (unless you are a kid - then the lines just fall in place).  In an eight week rehearsal period, I used to give everyone four weeks to learn their lines then went off book.  Now, I break it up further with a short period to get the first scene off book.  Then I can spot potential problems earlier and work on them.

From your post, I think you are looking for a reason to replace the actor - if you have not already decided to do it.  You have to make your own decision but you cast this person and you need to live with the decision.

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bullet Posted: 10/16/04 at 12:13am

Thanks -- I was not asking about a specific situation, but rather a problem that has happened repetitively.  Sometimes, it's a person who work really hard and still can't learn lines; sometimes, it's a person who seems to feel that if they're off book for tech week, that's good enough.

I've never replaced anyone, although I've wanted to and, in one case, threatened to.  I guess I was just wondering about other people's situations.

It seems like, by the time I realize there's a serious problem, it's usually too late in the day to do anything.  And even when the problem isn't necessarily serious, it does prevent me from doing all the work I wanted to do and stresses out the rest of the cast.

I used to be annoyed with directors who always cast the same people -- but if you're doing that, at least you can be sure you are getting responsible people who will do (or are capable of doing) the work.

It's just one of the frustrating things about directing.  And somebody who will not/cannot learn their lines prevents me from being able to do the things I love about directing -- working with the characters, bits, etc.  But you're right -- I cast them, so to some extent, it's on me to help them.

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bullet Posted: 12/12/04 at 4:38pm
hav u ay advice in how to learn lines?
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bullet Posted: 12/13/04 at 8:46am

Amy --

I've been down that road many times as a director and as an actor. I've always found learning lines to be easy... up until the last couple of years. This last show I was in, I was the slow one on my lines. Of course, I felt terrible, but the harder I worked at it, the worse it became. Finally, tech week, I made the breakthrough and got it right. What happened? Beats me... the only thing I can think of is that I finally got all the lines in the right order in my head. Up to that point, I knew the lines but couldn't keep them in any semblance of order... I had no idea what was next. But once I got it, I GOT it.

From the director's chair, I've seen this type of problem many times... an actor knows the lines, but isn't firm on what comes next and therefore lacks confidence. I'm a big believer in learning lines in order, one page at a time, then putting the pages together. It's a tough way to do it, but it works. The other thing I've found over the years is that coming out of book too early can cause problem. The repetition the actors get while working on the blocking is every bit as important as sitting down and learning the lines by rote.

One other thing I've learned over the years... no matter how frustrating a slow learner is to you and other cast members, the support you and the cast gives them can make the difference. Most of the time, the actor is being harder on themselves than anyone else can be. At that point, a little emotional help can make all the difference.

I understand your frustration as a director... it's tough to get it perfect, especially when you are dealing with people who are fallible. I find it easier to deal with an actor who obviously isn't working at it... at least I know what the problem is. It's the actor who IS working hard at it who can be so hard to help, because they're doing what they should be doing.

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bullet Posted: 12/13/04 at 11:22am

Good comments and interesting perspectives...

I (like all directors) have "Been There" .  Actors who are slow on lines cause a long list of problems including bringing down the quality of a show and increased moral problems among the cast.

Some suggestions that have worked for me:

Do a lot of table work early on in the rehearsal process...I have found that the more actors reallly understand what is happening (the plot, the themes, the relationships, the sub text, the references, the time period etc.) the better for line learning. Sit around with entire cast and read the play aloud many times. You talk , (share your vision, explain the themes you intend to pull out and your what your research has turned up anout themes, time period etc.) to them.

Set a firm schedule of off book dates...publish the rehearsal schedule with these dates included and distribute first day ...space out the deadlines by acts or pages or whatever works for script...have a final off book with no more scripts allowed (but they can call for line)...and a final day to call for line...after which they will have to "fake it" up there with no help form you or the stage manager or book holder..(EX: off book act one: Oct. 1, Off book act 2: Oct 7 ...no more scripts out Oct. 17, final off book no calling for line...Oct 21.)

These have improved the situation for my shows...hope it helpsyou.

Good luck,

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bullet Posted: 12/13/04 at 3:20pm

Originally posted by bo

hav u ay advice in how to learn lines?

It had been a while since I had been on stage, but I took a part in a musical this summer.  I had about a 30 minute drive from my house to the theatre, so I put all my lines (along with a few cues) onto a CD.

I found this method much easier than me sitting around trying learn them.  Although, I did do a bit of that in the beginning as well.

I find as I get a bit older I'm not quite as confidant as I once was.

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bullet Posted: 12/27/04 at 7:41pm

The best way to learn lines is to understand them, and to duplicate the process your brain actually uses in putting spoken words together.  Generally, that's through visual imagery.

When you tell me what you did this morning when you woke up, you're replaying the scene in your head.  So to learn your lines, you need to create and replay a visual movie in your head of what was going on in precise detail.

With practice, your word selection . . . or should I say your character's word selection . . . will match the text exactly.

"The tygers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction."

-- William Blake, Proverbs of Hell, 1793
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bullet Posted: 1/19/05 at 3:54pm
thanx every one i got every line rite on the night luv u all sooo much thank u!!!!!
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bullet Posted: 1/19/05 at 3:57pm

 u werent much hlp sorry 2 be negative but ur advice was too complicated and i was unfortunately excused from my play because of the fact i dint no mi lines no matter how much help i had

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