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Quote PaulyWally Replybullet Posted: 7/26/11 at 11:39am
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No one expects nerves of steel but if they cant sing above a whisper because they are nervous about people hearing them, maybe they arent the best choice for the musical.


This is my point.

I won't directly refute that specific example because I have a feeling that no matter what I say the answer is always going to be, "if they can't do X, Y, or Z, then maybe they're not the best choice for the role."  And if that's the case then I will refer back to my previous statement - that is being insensitive to the actors.

I don't like to be blunt, but I don't really care what anyone else thinks they know.  Performing in front of other actors is much different than performing in front of a spectator audience.  First of all, the actor can barely see the audience when performing on stage... if at all.  Secondly, they're not "competing" against the audience for the role.  But in the audition, they can see everyone clear as day.  And they've watched other audition pieces.  They sit there and constantly compare themselves to the other actors.  Worrying that "he did a much better monologue".  Or that "she is much prettier than I am, so I probably stand no chance".

We already have a system that places that kind of pressure on actors.  It's called professional theatre.  Now I'm not saying that it is the director's fault that the pressure is on the actor.  But the director does have the power to relieve some of that pressure.  I'd say it's arguably part of their job.

For many actors, CT is a learning environment.  A lot of them come into a CT role having never performed a lead, or sang principle in a musical, or never even been on stage before.  Sometimes they start out incredibly shy and reserved because of it.  But by the end, the cast and crew supported him/her and helped to open up a lot of new potential for the actor.  They were allowed the opportunity to make mistakes and learn the process.  And they did so without being overly criticized.

That's my opinion.  And not everyone has to share my opinion.  But I would venture to guess that most CTs are 501(c)(3) organizations.  To obtain 501(c)(3) status, theatre's stress their educational importance.  They also must submit a "mission statement".  And I doubt many CTs were able to obtain 501(c)(3) status with mission statements that demand a rigid casting process.
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Quote jayzehr Replybullet Posted: 7/27/11 at 6:53am
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Open vs closed
I run my auditions open.  I want people all together so I can try pairing people up.  We only run two nights of auditions with no call backs.  As far as lowering the stress level for the actors, if they are too stressed performing with their fellow actors at auditions, I have serious concerns about their stress level when confronted with a full house on opening night. 


That's what we've been doing but I think I'm going to change next time. I'm thinking of having people come in one at a time for a short reading and then have open auditions for callbacks. That way we can take a little time to regroup and identify who we want to read again and who we don't.
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Quote pdavis69 Replybullet Posted: 7/27/11 at 9:21am

This is the nice thing about these discussion boards, people have the opportunity to hear many different opinions and then decide what is right for them.  However, if everyone has the attitude of " but I don't really care what anyone else thinks they know" an exchange of ideas just become a lecture.

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Quote PaulyWally Replybullet Posted: 7/27/11 at 10:58am
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This is the nice thing about these discussion boards, people have the opportunity to hear many different opinions and then decide what is right for them.


I agree.

However, if everyone has the attitude of "but I don't really care what anyone else thinks they know" an exchange of ideas just become a lecture.


You say that like it is a bad thing.

I stated my opinion on open vs. closed auditions - suggesting that auditioning in front of other actors can place unneeded stress on them.  You explicitly refuted my opinion with yours - saying that, "...if they are too stressed performing with their fellow actors at auditions..."  I then attempted to clarify that there is a huge difference between performing in front of an audience vs. fellow auditioners.  And that's where you stopped rebutting my argument.  You replied with almost the same exact attitude: "...if they cant sing above a whisper because they are nervous about people hearing them, maybe they arent the best choice for the musical."  Nothing about that helped you support your opinion that open auditions are better.  If you want to provide a substantial argument, it helps to support your statements.  Not to just repeat the same thing.  Therefore, it appears to me that you have not provided any compelling argument in support of your opinion.

Now, maybe my last response was a little brash.  And in all honesty, I need to apologize for the statement in which you called me out on.  I worded it very poorly in an attempt that I not attack you, personally (or anyone else for that matter).  What ended up happening is that I made a very careless and presumptuous statement.

What I truly meant was that I felt you were not being very permeable to other people's experiences.  To me, your comments suggested a few different things.  That you have little experience auditioning yourself, or that you don't get nervous when auditioning in front of other actors.  Your comments also suggested that actors competing for roles in front of each other should be no different than those same actors performing in front of an audience (after rehearsing their parts for several weeks).  It was my attempt to explain that there is a big difference between the two.  And if you can't honestly see that there is a difference, then I feel you better provide some sort of intelligent discussion on the matter.

Furthermore, it also suggested to me that you don't try to maintain a low-stress environment in your productions.  That you expect CT actors to be on similar levels as professionals.  And that you don't offer opportunities for the less experienced actors to rise up.  In my opinion, this is an elitist attitude.  And perhaps I am overly sensitive about this because I've had some very poor experiences with directors that were insensitive and rigid.  But that's what I feel nonetheless.

At the end of the day I was trying to explain my point of view and give evidence and support as to why I feel that way.  So yes, I suppose I was giving a lecture.  But my intention really was not to reprimand, rather, it was to provide information based on my experiences and knowledge.

I can't force you to change your opinion.  I can't even force you to listen to me.  At the end of the day, I really don't even care how you hold your auditions.  But I do care about theatre.  And I am very passionate about the purpose of CT.  I think I have explained that quite well, and those are some of the reasons why I maintain my opinion on this matter.

Finally, I would still be very interested to hear some evidence as to why you favor open auditions.  If nothing else, for the sake of the original discussion.
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Quote Legacy Theater Replybullet Posted: 7/28/11 at 10:46am
Thank you everyone for your opinions on open vs. closed rehearsals. I will do this one open and see what happens. LIke someone said, it's all a learning experience.

But if some of you could help with another question. . . WHERE DO YOU POST AUDITIONS? Radio, paper, do you pay for ads, any sites? I am in a southern community with no theaters in my area. I do live 5 minutes from Marine Corps Base Camp Lejeune and would like to get the word out there.

Also, how far in advance do you get audition info out? We are auditioning September 12.

Great advice, keep it coming!!!
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Quote Mike Polo Replybullet Posted: 7/28/11 at 11:01am
Settle it down people, the Republic doesn't rise and fall over this.
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Quote Legacy Theater Replybullet Posted: 7/28/11 at 12:41pm
Originally posted by Mike Polo

Settle it down people, the Republic doesn't rise and fall over this.


Exactly!!! HAHA
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Quote pdavis69 Replybullet Posted: 7/28/11 at 3:26pm
Sorry about that Mike.
People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who really do.
 
FYI, a bit of self depricating humor and sarcasm, I'm not serious but I cant find the "tounge in cheek" font.
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Quote MusicManD Replybullet Posted: 7/30/11 at 1:07am
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1. Does anyone have samples of the audition sheets that you hand out at rehearsals? I would love to see some ideas.


I actually need to dig mine up, since I'll be auditioning a cast for Seussical in less than a month.  Yikes.  Don't know.  Anyway, I ask name, age, experience (especially drama, dance, and music), special skills, and conflicts (Since I deal mainly with teens, I list a lot of common ones- sports, band, clubs, and leave a spot blank).  I also have a spot for their desired part and asking if they'll accept any part if cast. I do struggle with that last bit, but I like to know when people aren't interested for a lead.  I might change it this year.

Originally posted by Legacy Theater


2. How/Where do you post auditions so that the word can get around?


Our CT has a lousy website, but they have a large FB group and a monthly newsletter that highlights auditions.  They also have the great marquee out front that advertises auditions.  There's still a huge segment of the community that doesn't even know we exist, though, so now that I'm on the board, I'm going to try improving that.

Originally posted by Legacy Theater


3. What do you do during auditions? Cold readings, games, etc?


When I've directed high school shows, I hand out some material for the kids to prepare.  For a musical, it's a little bit of reading and a small part of the music.  For a straight show, it's just the reading.

We'll do the audition and I'll usually try to point them in a specific direction- ie, "Read it as if you're angry" or "Read it as if your best friend just walked in wearing a really stupid costume."  That gives me an idea of how well they might take to direction and adjust on the fly.

Originally posted by Legacy Theater


4. Do you post the rehearsal schedule before the auditions, or just give a copy out at auditions?


At the school I teach at, we're tied into rehearsal times, and even there, not everybody is available for every rehearsal.  When kids ask, I tell them Monday, Tuesday, Thursday (Tuesday, Thursday for a straight play), and that we'll get more specific when I see everyone's conflicts.  One of these years I will hope for an after school rehearsal schedule, but that will require no students in athletics... which isn't probably going to happen any time soon.

Personally, when I audition for a show, I like to know what sort of schedule might be required of me.  I have a pretty full schedule, which precludes most shows.  When I'm not directing a show, I'm still pretty busy with regular school activities, so if I can't see a general "we rehearse on these nights," I won't even audition.  I just don't want to leave the bad stigma of, "We want him for the part, but he's only available on Sundays from 3 to 4:30 pm!"

So in short, I like to see the rehearsal schedule first, especially if it's a large show that can't realistically schedule around the actors' schedules anyway.

Regarding open vs. closed auditions... I've done both, and settled into a compromise of small groups.  For my last show I had signup sheets with 4 slots per time.  That way, people could choose to audition with their friends OR they could choose a time where nobody had signed up and go by themselves.  Worked out well.  I ran part of it as individuals with three others looking on, and part with all four at once.  It's a good way to see how people interact with one another.

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Quote Majicwrench Replybullet Posted: 7/30/11 at 9:49am
Legacy,
  The media is your friend. Contact them! Write an article about your group, it's upcoming auditions and show. Include a fun pic and send it to the papers. Contact the local radio stations.. most of them have some sort of community calendar or talk show. Certainly the base has a station?? I work in radio, and we love to hear from groups. And radio...we have 24 hrs a day to fill with something....we need something!!  The above generally cost nothing. Posters, not my fav form of advertising, but put some up in the artsy places. Do you have an email list?? If not start one now so you will have it later.  Churches....the church I go to will announce auditions in their program.
  If you are auditioning Sept 12 I would be getting the word out now.
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