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Quote TonyDi Replybullet Posted: 1/14/11 at 7:11am
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I understand what TonyDi is saying, but I'll only resort to giving line readings to my actors as a last resort.  (Unless we're talking about misunderstanding some idiom or generational mode of speech - then it's just a lack of experience on the part of the actor and I'll step in to explain it.) 

I don't like being a little too quick to give a line reading, however, because I worry about stifling my actors - making them afraid to try anything on their own.  I'd rather have them "discover" the right reading - or, at least, an appropriate one.  So often, there is more than one way to say just about anything.

As for who gets the glory:  We all know that if the play's a success the actors get the credit.  If the show fails, it's the director's fault.  No big deal.

I love to direct - but you gotta deal with those damn actors.  The greatest challenge lies in bending your vision to accommodate your actors' abilities.  Yes, we challenge the actors, and they do their level best to deliver; but inevitably something you want will be outside of their ability to deliver.  Sometimes it's a minor point, sometimes not.  At that point you work with their strengths to get the best you can from them - even if it means altering some aspect of the play's impact.  It's more important for me to present a comprehensive whole to the audience, rather than have one actor displayed as being obviously out of his depth.  Your primary function as a director is to protect the show.

I love to act - but you gotta deal with those damn directors.  The greatest challenge can be dealing with a director who is less than well-versed in the intricacies of directing a play.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not some know-it-all who claims to know more than anyone else.  If I have difficulty with a director I keep it to myself, and I don't cop any kind of attitude about it either.  Something like that doesn't help the show in any way, shape, or form.  When I do a show, I put myself into the director's hands and give him all I can give.  The directors I respect are the ones who allow input from their actors.  Most do.  Some don't.

I try to be the kind of director I like to work for and, so far, it seems to be working all right for me.  I'm very proud of the fact that a pleasantly large percentage of my actors get nominated for local acting awards.  I'm extraordinarily pleased when one of my actors "surprises" his compatriots; when they say, "I never knew you could do something like that!"  Those moments (along with watching an audience leaving the theatre chattering away about the play they've just seen) are what I live for.  Absolutely priceless.  All I need is the accomplishment; I have no need at all of the "recognition."
 
 
I promise I will NOT go on at length - my posts are always too long.  ALAS, Ed I really AGREE with everything you've said.  I too, allow the actors to "find" their character. Actually I spend a GREAT DEAL of time developing the characters, discussing them, working individually even with actors if and when they need it - ESPECIALLY in shows that are not always comedic or musicals - although those are, in MY opinion, to be dealt with in the same way to make the characters more believable. BUT in dramatic or even lighter scripts I do like to dig deeply and talk about the characters with the actors - guiding them as I go along with what I want in mind for them to do.  The key is - that when it comes to hearing things a particualr way, to me it's much more expedient to simply give the line reading as the example rather than waste time beating around the bush. Time is always our enemy in community theater or even in professional theater as well.
 
I agree like you actors when you're a director are insane. Directors when you're an actor are insane. The key is to go with the flow. HOWEVER as in one blatant case I can recall - as a director, I had an actor who was inherently VERY GOOD.  But he was a case and a task to work with. A bit cosmic, a bit taken with himself - HATED having notes at the end of rehearsals. Asked me very inane and often goading questions most of the time.  Asked me after rolling his eyes many times during notes, "what is my motivation in such and such a scene".  My response - "BECAUSE I EFFIN' TOLD YOU TO DO IT"!!! BAD response on my part. But he got the point.  Directors - I've had a few who choreographed every step, gesture, quarter-turn, etc., etc. WORST director I ever dealt with.
 
BUT I said all that to say this - I just have learned to "deal with it" and do the best I possibly can in either role - actor or director. And if line readings were the only fault I have as a director, well I'd be doing great.  I'm not an end-all, but when as I said, my name is at the top, I want what I want and "the shortest distance between two points is a straight line" - so line readings - for which I apologize - are given to save time. And knowing I do that from the outset - most of the people who have worked for me get over.  I always tell them - if they're going to exhibit any - to leave their egos at the door. And if there is ANY ego at all - it will come from me - ALWAYS ON THEIR BEHALF!!
 
But yes, I agree with everything you said - in theory. It's such a subjective, experience based thing that makes what I do, what you or anyone else do, different for each of us. And if it works for you, by all means I support that. And I really DO try different things, different approaches to see what works best.  Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose but you keeping pressing on regardless.
 
As an old British friend of mine used to say - using the slogan of the RAF - the Royal British Air Force - "PER ARDUA, AD ASTRA"....."BY LABOR TO THE STARS".  That puts things into perspective for me quite often. Fruits of the labors - as you indicate - anonymity without the need for the recognition - EXCEPT for the ACTORS who put it all out there and make you proud.
 
Thanks for your comments - and again this is too long.  Sorry.
 
 
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Quote peacock Replybullet Posted: 1/14/11 at 11:18am
Thanks for the comments on lines readings and everything else. I feel better that there are times when it is OK to help my actors along.

I agree that actors and directors are insane, that is why the crew always has the most fun.

BTW- I think the very best part of directing is when you are working away on a play, and an actor comes in with an amazing ad lib idea that you never considered, and it works. Since I work with high schoolers, it is a pretty exciting moment when someone begins to think like an actor. Of course, by the time they are seniors these same actors are so full of themselves you can't stand it anymore. But that is ok, too. College will knock that out of them pretty effectively.

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Quote Majicwrench Replybullet Posted: 1/14/11 at 11:21am
Tony.
  Love your posts, yes they do get a little long. But just wondering, above you state "So line readings-for which I apologize..." are you apologizing to us, or to the actor you are giving lines too??  As I wrote earlier, I give line reading to actors, and have gotten them from directors, and I don't see any reason to apologize. Like you said, time is the enemy, and I am a "Get 'er Done" kinda person. Thank God I never had any training, so I never have to worry about all the "Rules"
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Quote TonyDi Replybullet Posted: 1/14/11 at 12:37pm
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Tony.
  Love your posts, yes they do get a little long. But just wondering, above you state "So line readings-for which I apologize..." are you apologizing to us, or to the actor you are giving lines too??  As I wrote earlier, I give line reading to actors, and have gotten them from directors, and I don't see any reason to apologize. Like you said, time is the enemy, and I am a "Get 'er Done" kinda person. Thank God I never had any training, so I never have to worry about all the "Rules"
 
Well Majic, the short answer - were I to ever be short - is YES!! Tongue  I make an apology to the actors up front when we get started in rehearsals although AFTER we do a complete read-through first so I can hear them and sort of see where they MIGHT go with things.  It's an apology of sorts in that - I DO tell them briefly that I DO give line readings and I explain why that is, apologizing generally but primarily for those actors who think they don't need it, in order to diminish their aversion to that. And as they are then aware, I don't bring it up again but rather SUGGEST that they deliver a line here and there as I demonstrate. They don't always match me - but I like the idea that they do go ahead and try knowing it's what I want.  And again not that I'm a know-it-all either by ANY stretch - but I have been at this a very long time, I know what I am doing and I know what I want when I direct. I TOO like those "aha" moments when an actor comes up with stuff I didn't think of.  I TRY to let them all know I AM a collaborator but that in the end I have the last word.  Mainly you realize THEY cannot see what they're doing and what's going on onstage - I have the "removed" viewpoint and I've learned the lessons well over the years to know what likely will work and what likely will not.  It only took most of the 50 years to learn it - but I think I have some semblance of understanding in that regard.
 
Anyway I AM also apologizing to the members of this board as well because I know opinions vary, techniques vary from director to director. And while anything I usually EVER express is nothing more than opinion, I try not to be disagreeable when someone expresses theirs, right or wrong in MY opinion.  Whatever gets the job done, butts in the seats and dollars in the till - I'm kind'a good with that for sure.  Clap
 
But thank you for your words and kind support - long winded my posts are or not.  I TRY really hard not to be - but if we were sitting down and talking all this would take moments to say - plus I can type really, really fast so it's like I'm talking in moments. SO I will apologize for the long-windedness as well. Brevity is not my strong suit.
 
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Quote edh915 Replybullet Posted: 1/14/11 at 1:50pm
TonyDi - I don't suppose you live and work anywhere in the Chicago area?  You sound like a fun (read: "good, constructive, knowledgeable and hard-working") director.  I think you're a director I could easily love working for.

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Quote Majicwrench Replybullet Posted: 1/14/11 at 1:51pm
 I apologize when I do something wrong. I do not consider giving line readings wrong, so I don't apologize for doing so.
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Quote MartyW Replybullet Posted: 1/14/11 at 2:09pm
Tony, your last post reminds me of one of my favorite sayings... "All Community Theaters  are not created equal..." Bottom line, make it work, whatever it takes.
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Quote Majicwrench Replybullet Posted: 1/14/11 at 6:29pm
 I'm not sure I could work with Tony, he might talk too much...
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Quote jayzehr Replybullet Posted: 1/15/11 at 10:00pm
I have to agree that much of what I learned in college way back when has been gradually thrown out the window as I've learned how to actually get a community theater show up. As others have said there are a lot of practices you just can't indulge in when time is at a premium.  I've got no problem giving or receiving line readings.

That being said, as an actor it does somewhat bother me if I'm getting the whole script dictated to me as can sometimes happen. If it's just as easy to say something like "he's mad at her here" why not try that and let the actor have a whack at it?  Most of the time an actor comes up with an appropriate line reading that way and if not, then you can tell them how to say it later.

Also, as a director I've stopped trying to micro-manage line readings from the start the way I used to.  I let the rehearsals go on for a while and if a line reading is still bothering me after a few weeks then I'll say something.  I find that a lot of the time people figure it out without having to say anything.  What I was finding was that with two or three weeks to go a scene would be going along great and suddenly you could see where the actors were going out of the moment to do the lines the way the director (me) had told them to.
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Quote theactordavid Replybullet Posted: 1/17/11 at 8:13am
When I feel an actor isn't giving me the "right" reading of a line (and of course that's my interpretation of "right" at work here), I find it's usually because the actor doesn't have a clear understanding of the moment.  So I work with them by asking questions to try and drive them toward that understanding.

What is happening right now?
What is your objective at this moment?
What obstacles are in your way?
What are you trying to make happen?
What are you trying to say to the other characters?

The list goes on.

I'll sometimes have them say the line different ways, putting emphasis on other words, in an attempt to zero in on the "right" way by process of elimination.  I'll also ask them if they are aware of any reference, either earlier or later in the script, that might offer clarification.

If, after all this, the actor still doesn't seem to "get it", I'll explain my thinking and offer the line reading. 

I think it's very important that the actor understand the moment, and not just be a parrot.  Only with this understanding will the playwright's truth be presented to the audience, which I hold as a critical element in any production.  If you don't tell the playwright's story (truthfully, as best as can be interpreted by all), then you're telling someone else's story.  And that's not what you all signed up for.
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