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bullet Posted: 9/13/07 at 2:04pm
My apologies for the misnomer, I jumped to conclusions based on your location.  Please don't change for me, I love your posts.  Not only do I learn something new everytime, but I get to enjoy your "accent".  You know how we americans love a good accent!  This whole forum is wonderful! It's travelling to a national theatre arts symposium without the plane ticket! Thank you!
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No no no I'm sorry I didn't mean any thing. Now Iam embarissedEmbarrassed & far from being upset by any Mr or miss Nomer?
Y'fairdinkum  bonzer drose!
I must agree with you about being a stowaway on a national nay international flight without a ticket, on this forum - great analogyThumbs%20Up
As long as  y'all can put with my stumbling & bumbling atempts at tapping out english gramer, as a one finger exercise, which is proved great therapy for me. Which was the results of living for too many years on coffee & smokes in theatre.
After the 5th stroke & a few under the knife other hicups.  The Quack  is happy that  sites like this is are a  great rehabilitation tool.
For that i will eternaly greatful to Chris & Mike, Jane of Amdram & all it's mermbers!
especialy KathyS & Rod o West who got me through the worst trials & tribulations at my darkest times.
Gawd my eyes are starting to perspire & it ain't that hot!
Must go & have a cuppa, smoke & a lay down,
I know a bath or why not do it all! {[back of the right Upstage hand on the left brow - swanson style] Exuant prompt side [no you twit! the other prompt side?] [Switch hands]}
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Bless us! Let's have a toast to our old friend RodO.

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What a vast viod one bloke can leave  in so many  lives.
Here is to you me old 'Cnina Plate', Cheers RodO!
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bullet Posted: 9/15/07 at 6:48pm
Originally posted by TonyDi


'Making up warm props'.
 , I MAY end up doing a series of DVD's instead of a book -
 
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Tony
I just received thr latest 'stage Directions' & would you know it they have fearured this DVD series on Makeup!
Mind you the DVD's are $179.95(USD) the set, so there could be a niche market for a series aimed at the amatuer rather than those with a pro future in mind;-
 
http://www.plsnbookshelf.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=183

Not prodding really!Ouch
 
{One thing which I'm not sure of though?
The author of the DVD lists her self as a an Instructor Dr & a Webmistress?}
  What;s an instructors doctor & is it PC for Webs to be old enough to have a Mistress?Wink
If so y'all can almost trust me to keep a confidence  as I'm nearly a doctor?Evil%20Smile
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bullet Posted: 10/02/07 at 12:49pm
Originally posted by Gaafa

Originally posted by TonyDi


'Making up warm props'.
 , I MAY end up doing a series of DVD's instead of a book -
 


Tony
I just received thr latest 'stage Directions' & would you know it they have fearured this DVD series on Makeup!
Mind you the DVD's are $179.95(USD) the set, so there could be a niche market for a series aimed at the amatuer rather than those with a pro future in mind;-
 
http://www.plsnbookshelf.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=183

Not prodding really!Ouch
 
{One thing which I'm not sure of though?
The author of the DVD lists her self as a an Instructor Dr & a Webmistress?}
  What;s an instructors doctor & is it PC for Webs to be old enough to have a Mistress?Wink
If so y'all can almost trust me to keep a confidence  as I'm nearly a doctor?Evil%20Smile
 
 
Hey Joe,
 
Well I just saw this so I went to check out what this was.  Frankly, and I know I'm going to sound like a pompous ass, THIS set SUCKS especially for $179.00 for the set.  Seems like a LOT of money that really STILL displays makeup work that is STYLIZED, MUCH MUCH to heavy handed and geared toward a wider variety of things that I simply think this woman is NOT qualified to do. Her horror makeup, or her FX makeup work is amateurish, most of her stuff that is shown on that ONE page, is FAR too heavy handed, unrefined, unblended, unfinished in my estimation. And to charge $179.00 for 6 DVD's might not SEEM excessive for the "amount of information you get" - sadly when it's no better than it appears on the surface to be, then in MY wallet it's just not worth it.  This is the SAME kind of thing that the last book I purchased drew to my attention. THIS woman - with her doctorate degree - is a COSTUMER who is into makeup too. And if you notice she is an ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR - not even a full fledged professor who has been teaching it for only 10 years (and she's likely not too old like this next one either - just thinks 10 years qualifies her). And her references for the histories are like from 1898 and 1916 - old ideas, old concepts which she is trying to apply to modern techniques and styles?  Sorry I don't buy that at all.  Even her LAST DISC SHOULD be the first - with studies in anatomy and other basics that BEGIN the process - not end it.  Like the last book I bought which promotes some other "associate professor of costuming" at some Michigan or Minnesota college - who THINKS she knows what good makeup work is - is all about self promotion using her otherwise impressive credentials to push off on the poor unsuspecting public of users - actors and teachers or whatever - amateurish approaches to makeup for theater.  I mean I'm sorry, costumers are NOT makeup artists.  This is that age old issue of....."I had two semesters of makeup instruction in college so I'm a makeup artist" OR ........ "oh I KNOW how to do my own makeup"!!!  And I'm sick to death of it.
 
NO I don't possess college degree in costuming or makeup (NOBODY that I know of anywhere EXCEPT a couple colleges in CA - produce degrees in makeup work).  Even the makeup schools for FX and such, are so basic that most people who go to those schools have more money than brains. I mean, one school I know of particularly charges $27,000 dollars for a course in SPFX.  SOME of the people who have come out of those schools do well.  MOST do not.  It's NOT the instructors - they're all qualified makeup artists who are top-notch. IT's the school itself that promotes a makeup artist mill as THE WAY to learn to do the work and that you WILL get hired.  HOGWASH.  THE INDUSTRY is suffering severely from over-glut of artists UNQUALIFIED to do the work - when in fact, the work is hardly there to have anymore.
 
And with theater makeup artists - well they're a dime a dozen and they all usually have the same problem - "I had two semesters of makeup instruction in college so I'm a makeup artist"!!! NOT!!!  But you can't tell anyone that or you become (as I have far too many times) a pompous ass who "thinks he knows it all"?  Heck, I've been doing this for almost 50 years and I STILL am learning - so I have no delusions about what I know and I certainly don't go around with my makeup kit on my shoulder. I HAVE gotten lucky that most people who know my work and know what I AM capable of hire me more and more to do the work.  AND THAT is the fact that I enjoy.....well that and the money that comes from a lifetime of learning and ability.  BUT JUST BECAUSE she has a doctorate degree (in costuming I'm assuming - or theater) WHY people put more stock in THAT just because she HAS that credential is beyond me.  Are people just THAT stupid??  I just don't know.  MAYBE it means I need to get off my ass and get MY work out there and selling if I can and if it would.  IF these idiots can get their JUNK sold, surely to God I can too.  I just need to do it and get it out there to know.  Something to be said for not wasting one's time getting it done.
 
AT any rate, I will still use your title with credit to you.  I DO still love it - "Making Up Warm Props".  CLASSIC Title and with anecdotal stuff plus solid instruction I hope I can make something like this work.  I'm bound and determined or at least to die trying.  Thanks for the heads up.  I KNOW I can beat that $179.0o price tag EVEN to advanced makeup people who are beyond amateur status.  EVERY makeup pro WAS an amateur - it just takes TIME and PATIENCE and INSTRUCTION.  I learned my makeup work on the job.  My other interest of Special Makeup Effects which CAN apply to theater in many, many cases, was learned from one of the best of the best in Hollywood who is an academy award winning makeup artist and the "godfather of modern special makeup effects".  I got lucky to be a student of his course.  I learned more in the last 13 years or so that I've been a student of his course than I ever knew in the previous 35 some odd years before.  AND if NOTHING else, I learned a level of devotion, precision, perfection seeking that SO FEW THEATER makeup people even CARE about or consider.
 
SO I'm still going to do it.  FAR less expensive and far better information and instruction than a doctoral costumer can do.  I've seen the page displayed. I'm NOT impressed at ALL with her work. Yet there she is selling her DVD's and here I sit wishing I had the time to get it done.
 
I know what I NEED to do - just need the time to do it.
 
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bullet Posted: 10/02/07 at 9:17pm
Go for it Tony!Thumbs%20Up
Why don't you start your own Academy school?
I'm sure you could snaffle a government grant &/or sponsorship from product manufacturers.
There might be enough in it to give up your day job?Wink
  It seems from this birds infoadd, all you have to do is hang out a shingle & certify the students of course, then supply your DVD as apart of it.Big%20smile
I feel positive with your experiance, you would fill a niche, especialy here in ameatre!

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bullet Posted: 11/11/07 at 11:42pm
Well the workshop has only one week left and it's been a lot of fun, and in my opinion, very successful.  We are going to hold another one in January and then offer an advanced option to use the techniques to work on monologues and dialogues, with direction.  I wasn't going to offer an advanced option, but people are asking for it (that's a good sign, yes?), so I'm happy to give it a go.
 
(and TonyDi if you're out there, we did touch on make-up, emphasis on street techniques to enhance features or diminish appearance of "flaws".  Emphasized health and cleanliness, need to have own "basics", and, as it is an actor's workshop, emphasized need to have the character carry the make-up, not the make-up carry the actor - with a few exceptions.)
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bullet Posted: 11/12/07 at 10:27pm
Hey DROSE, GLAD to hear your acting workshops are successful.  Actually I have as yet to see well run workshops like this with qualified instructors turn out too badly.  They're ALWAYS a GREAT way to work out a lot of issues and hear varying opinions, ideas, techniques and more.  And yes, I AM delighted that you used some levels of makeup discussion to at least touch on some of the more important facets of makeup work - that being limited, subtlties without the need for over-doing (depending upon the needs of the show/characters) and that safety, health, hygiene and common sense are important.  Further, instructing people that if they're going to be doing this work, they simply need to invest in the basic makeup supplies - share them with no-one - and to have access to whatever is needed for yourself from both the standpoints of the required supplies but the required BASIC knowledge from which to build upon and learn since it IS such a separate though connected craft.  Granted if companies can afford to hire qualified makeup artists (keeps me working) then by all means that's a good way to go.  But too, using the makeup to SUPPORT the actor or character is always of the greatest importance....that is until you have needs that move well beyond what simplistic makeup work can do (namely heavy prosthetics and the need for those to accomplish whatever is needed in shows that carry the makeup work far beyond the basics).  SO THANKS for including that for those who need to know it. 
 
Again glad your seminars and workshops are a huge success.  Give them a little then they'll want much more - into the advanced stages and that's a good thing. Eager to learn and absorb is a good sign. Congratulations.
 
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bullet Posted: 11/14/07 at 11:00am
Well I just held the stage craft workship tonight.
However it was an acting workshop only, the type one has when not having one?Confused
I need to get my 'magi anettena' tuned in properly or at least have a frontal labotomy with 440Volts!Shocked
I didn't get the atendance prediction correct.
Mind you I was fairly close to 4 in atendance. We had almost a full house of 3.5.
The house rag went up late by about an hour or so with 3 bums on seats, which was boosted by an over late member,Smile sticking his head around the door, to give a nessage to his wfe, our secretary, not to be late home. Confused
Any how in amongst the yawns & leaving one to sleep.SleepyEmbarrassed
I trundled on & gave a condenced version of the grand plan on stagecraft.Embarrassed
  Ithink it went down well, covering the positions on the stage, fly's, equipment. knots, lighting fixtures history & colour.
Then upon finishing we found no one had the key to lock up the centre, as the other users had vanished.Ouch So after a wasted phone call to the Council Security Company, who couldn't give crap one way or another. We fosicked about & found a door we could exit & lock behind us.
Otherwise it was a brilliant night for woffling on & wishing we were all elsewhere having a froffy mugaccino. {they had forgotten to bring the makings & fresh milk!}Angry
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