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Joan54
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bullet Posted: 8/07/07 at 8:21am
Thanks for the tip about the glowire......I think I'll get one of their kits and see what it looks like on stage.
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bullet Posted: 8/07/07 at 9:39am
This is something that may help you Joan & Linda &/or any thechie for that natter.
It is something I have developed and used from the 60's, I'd like to say I invented but i feel it was done a long time before me?
I can't remember how I did without them previously.
I have named them 'Thwackers', because of the niose it can make if it is  released & hits you on the knuckles with a thwacking sound,
I was going to have them produced & even registered the design, if I can ever find the certificate, I may think of having them produced again?
Basicly it is a reuseable tie for cables & whatever that won't damage but hold tightly.
All that is needed is an old even punctured vehicle tyre inner tube, the best source is at the local garage or tyre fitter/supplier, they are usualy glad to get rid of them & they are for fee.
Go to the hardware & grab a packet of precut dowels, about 2" to 3" long or a length to cut down. I find the fluted groove ones best, but this is just a personel chioce, 
Lay the inner tube flat & either use a craft knife guided by a straight edge, guilotine or scissors & cut across from the outside to the centre or vise versa, On one of the cut edges, cut a 1/4 to 3/8th strip off it, to make a circular rubber band. Then tie a 'Girth hitch ['larks head']  http://www.animatedknots.com/girthrescue/index.php?LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com around the centre of the dowel, {as animated on the site}
This gives you a rubber loop, with a toggle at one end.
To use the thrwacker hold the toggle in one hand & wrap the rubber loop, which will go flat, around a bundle of cables, rope or extention cord.
Then put the loop over the toggle to tightly hold the bundle or whatever, Depending on the size or number of individual cables or items, that needs to be tied, you may need to wrap the flat rubber loop around a number of times to make it tight. After you finished using the cable bundle, it easy to flick the loop off the toggle & free them up, withour damage to the outer sheath while held.
If you want the thwacker to look more professional, paint the dowel black, but it's not needed.
They are good to keep rolled cables either hung up or stored. Securing cable to a batten or holding a loom on to a pipe, You will find the uses become endless & very handy, Also you can produce a heap for next to nothing & they don't leave sticky adhesive residuals that tape does.
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bullet Posted: 8/07/07 at 3:57pm
Originally posted by Gaafa

thanks for the 'Glowire' alturnative, I'l keep that in mind for the future Linda.
As ELWire is produced there, I guess that Glowire could be made in China cheaper, like every thing else!
The problem for us is it is not stocked localy & is ordered on indent only from theatrical suppliers - So we pay thru the nose anyway.

 
 
Hi,
I sell el wire and while Glowire, aka EL wire or electroluminescent wire is also made in China, the Chinese wire is not nearly as bright. And even the stuff I sell (Lytec wire, the brightest el wire made) is not NEARLY as bright as neon or even LED's.  EL wire is perfect for some applications, but it really does need a dark enough environment.
 
Also, EL wire does not burn out, like a light bulb, but the phosphor molecules crack over time with usage, resulting in a slow dimming effect over time. The statistic I heard was that if you use it for 6 hours/day for 365 days, it will be about half as bright as it started out originally.
 
And to imagine the el wire itself, it is less like a tube and more like a single-strand speaker wire, but instead of black rubber/plastic shielding on the wire, it is translucent and colored, to allow the light to come through. (It is actually one core wire with two tiny hair-thin wires wrapped around it, then shielding around that.
 
You would want to avoid repetitive movement of the wire, because those tiny hair-thin wires will break if bent back and forth too many times. So if you do a lariat, you should probably affix the EL wire to something to shape it, as opposed to actually swinging the wire around like a true lariat.
 
Also, depending on cost, some interesting effects can be achieved using sequencers.  For example, you could have a 3-channel sequencer and power three concentric circles, which might lend to a "magic circle" effect. Or 4-channel, or 5-channel or 10-channel, but that would run into come money. You could use the same color for each circle of wire, or different colors, and different effects could be achieved by either having the wires so close they are touching each other, or spaced out to make the effect visible from a greater distance.
 
As for signs, I have made some of those, but keep the brightness factor in mind, as well as the longevity factor. 
Good sign application for EL wire : sign or symbol used outside at night to point the way to your haunted house
Bad sign application for EL wire : sign used in window during the day or in a well-lit area, where you can hardly tell it is lit.
 
 Ok, sorry to butt in, but I was intrigued by the discussion.
 
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bullet Posted: 8/07/07 at 8:47pm
Welcome Eric, that was great & I'm sure it will certainly help everyone.
I have only been exsposed to the stuff, that was incorporated in a set piece, as a portal, teaeres & tormentors, but I can see it would help with the magic circle & the neon sign problem.
Thanks for jumping in, I know I appreciate your input.
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bullet Posted: 8/09/07 at 11:57am
 
 Linda something I should of remembered at the time for your neon problem is useing 'Cold Cathode Fluro lights;-
 
http://www.pccasegear.com/category5_1.htm

Which gives you another option.
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bullet Posted: 8/09/07 at 2:27pm
Thanks Gaafa,
 
I liked the EL Wire because it looks so easy to form into the shapes I want. I did put these links in my file in case the El Wire doesn't workout . Can these 'Cold Cathode Fluro lights be formed into shapes? 
Thanks for info.
 
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bullet Posted: 8/09/07 at 11:31pm
The cold cathode is a polycarbonate tube & can be shaped into some amazing formations.
From this site you will see it can be bent into sharp right angles;-
.http://www.ccfldirect.com/customlamps.html

It is used in a miriad of archetectural situations.
Being plastic & not glass, s hair druer or heat gun can be used & formed on a template.
However although it is flexable, check with your supliers gruru & ask for a demo & it's limitations before you buy.
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bullet Posted: 8/10/07 at 8:08am
Hi "Glo Wire Guy"  and thanks for your honest assessment of the product.  I thought it would be brighter and was planning to use it on a fairly well-lit stage but now I am having second thoughts....especially because the stage is not raked.  I will probably fins some other use for it but maybe not the "magic circle".  Thanks for the input.
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bullet Posted: 8/20/07 at 12:21am
Joan I found this site by accident, it may fit the bill for your 'magic circle';-http://www.e-lite.com/gallery.htm
There is also 'Glow pain' that could be used with a UV [blacklight] painted on to a rope, that could also work? ;- http://www.glowinc.com/
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bullet Posted: 8/29/07 at 9:51pm
I found this sight just something too look at for "rope Lights".  Or anyother uses. 
 
http://sales.thelightingdivision.com/c-7-lumacord.aspx this is called lumacord which lookes like lighted twine rope. 
 
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