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bullet Topic: Bye, Bye Birdie MIDI files available?
    Posted: 9/27/08 at 3:47pm
I've been watching different clips of Hymn for a Sunday Evening from the stage version of Bye, Bye Birdie.  Most of them are high school and community theatre versions.  I've noticed about three of them that sound like they've got the whole freakin' orchestra with them ... including the tympani rumbling in the background.

Is the orchestration available on CD for this show?  I don't see it listed on the site.
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bullet Posted: 10/05/08 at 4:56pm
Originally posted by Scott B

I've been watching different clips of Hymn for a Sunday Evening from the stage version of Bye, Bye Birdie.  Most of them are high school and community theatre versions.  I've noticed about three of them that sound like they've got the whole freakin' orchestra with them ... including the tympani rumbling in the background.

Is the orchestration available on CD for this show?  I don't see it listed on the site.
 
Go here and check - he has it listed and I know he's done it before for other companies.
 
 
You can listen to REAL PLAYER CLIPS of the selections from the show. They're .ram files - which is REAL PLAYER files...or any compatible player that can play ram files.
 
 
 
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bullet Posted: 10/05/08 at 5:27pm
Thanks ... I'll give them a listen.

Here's another suggestion given to me from another forum.
http://www.stage-stars.com/browseproducts/Bye-Bye-Birdie--Karaoke-CD-G.HTML

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bullet Posted: 10/06/08 at 7:55am
Originally posted by Scott B

Thanks ... I'll give them a listen.

Here's another suggestion given to me from another forum.
http://www.stage-stars.com/browseproducts/Bye-Bye-Birdie--Karaoke-CD-G.HTML

 
The ONLY trouble with these CD's is that they aren't complete.  If you're looking for a song or two from the show that's fine.  But if you're looking to do the whole show, with all the songs, transitions, just as it is written (not accounting for key changes you might want to make and can with MIDI files) or cuts, added vamps, etc., then the better way to go is with the sequenced show.  And the instrumentation on those samples sounded garish and harsh to me, not very well done - just enough to satisfy the Karaoke singer.  But full ORCHESTRATION would fill it out and the programmed ambience would add to it ever so much more than these Karaoke CD's do.  And again when hiring a sequencer to sequence a show, you come away with the ability to ask for changes in tempos, key changes, cuts, additions, nuances, etc, etc, on and on.  But if it's just for a few songs then CD's for Karaoke use are easy enough to find all over the place.   As well there is still some question as to the legality of using sequences, but as I was told by a colleague of mine who does this for a living, when the company rents the musical, pays for the scores and the rights to do the show, how they do it - unless it's stringently defined in the contract - is not usually an issue.  And he has paid for the rights of duplication (up to 500 copies I think) to be able to rent the CD's done to the company's specs or needs that are fully orchestrated.  So I know it's possible even though it might be a really gray area of copyrights.  No-one that I've ever heard of (or him for that matter) has challenged that being done in that fashion.  So hard to say - but I still think if you can't afford a whole orchestra, this is the next best thing.
 
 
 
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bullet Posted: 10/06/08 at 12:05pm
I've tried listening to the files from the link above on both my Mac and PC (using Real Player) and it appears that they are not able to connect to the server.  It said that the connection to the server could not be established.

Dang ... wanted to hear them.
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bullet Posted: 10/07/08 at 7:10am
Originally posted by Scott B

I've tried listening to the files from the link above on both my Mac and PC (using Real Player) and it appears that they are not able to connect to the server.  It said that the connection to the server could not be established.

Dang ... wanted to hear them.
 
Yeah I just found that out myself.  Don't know why - they should be available.  I WILL say this - I KNOW this guy personally - he's a friend and I know his work.  He's been doing this for a living for well over 25 years now as a pit musician, music director, and sequencer - he's been doing that a long time.  And the sounds are really quite good.  He does a lot to get a "real pit sound" and with the ambiance of sound he uses and instrumentation from the original scores he does really nice stuff.  I say contact him with your needs and I'm sure he'd be glad to send you some sample files that do work - if you tell him his online files aren't working.  Don't know why that is.  I don't think he has them blocked at all....but who knows.  Actually I just talked to him last week or so and he's just busy still doing what he does - never stops.
 
Anyway shoot him an E-Mail and tell him you're interested and need to hear some samples but that the ones online aren't working.  I'll E-Mail him too.  Don't know what's going on there.  But I can vouch for the quality of his work.  I've sat there in his studio while he was working on things and he does ONE instrument at a time, one page or song at a time.  He actually plays in each instrument so it sounds much more LIVE than step entered - which sounds too perfect and too mechanical.  Playing it in for each instrument, makes it sound much more real.  Plus he has great equipment that produces superb sounds accurately.
 
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bullet Posted: 10/07/08 at 1:21pm
My theatre uses bway2.com every year for our musicals.  He knows his stuff and I would recommend him to you as well.
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bullet Posted: 10/07/08 at 3:19pm
I can check in and see what's available, but if he's doing that much work I have to wonder whether our small theatre could even handle the expense.

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bullet Posted: 10/08/08 at 7:05am
Originally posted by Scott B

I can check in and see what's available, but if he's doing that much work I have to wonder whether our small theatre could even handle the expense.

Thanks again ...
 
Ah, but grasshopper, he may already HAVE the sequences.  He doesn't delete them when he's done.  He has MANY MANY shows already done and perhaps you can negotiate the cost to "rent" the sequences perhaps or maybe even get them at a lower cost if you don't have to do a lot of tweaking and changing and altering of the sequences where his time is involved.  I don't guess he's cheap - but then good quality doesn't come cheap.  I mean half dozen musicians if you have to pay for them at no less than $35 bucks an hour for three hours a night can get really expensive really quickly.  For instance, that's about $630 bucks a night even if you only have them for performances times however many performances..not including rehearsals, overtime if you run over their scheduled allotted time.  But a couple of musicians, though thin overall, can create a nice sound too.  All in what you can afford.  Never know till you contact him and ask about his pricing.  I know he's worked it out for small theaters before....whatever the market will bear you know!! And it's his income so he has to make a buck too.  GOOD LUCK.
 
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