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    Posted: 10/31/06 at 8:47pm

Double-casting kids. What's the real deal?

So My daughter is about to audition for a very large Annie-size role (but it's not Annie) at a local community theater. This theater made a point of asking her to audition, telling her about the show months ago, even before it was publicly announced. She's doing mostly professional theater these days but really loves this role and WANTS to do it.

In the beginning when they asked me to bring her they told me about how they were afraid they wouldn't get a talented girl to audition and they REALLY wish I'd bring her. But NOW I hear they're actually thinking of double-casting the role.

Hey, it's only 8 shows, one per day for two week run.

Here's my beef. some kids aren't reliable, but my daughter has been acting for about 5 years, has a great reputation for never missing a show. She's completed professional gigs with more than 30 shows without being double-cast. why does a COMMUNITY theater think they need to double cast her? Well, they admitted they feel like they may sell more tickets that way. But publicly they say it's because they worry that the kid could get sick.

She complains to me about how she's more professional that most of the adults she's worked with. She busts her tail whenever she's in a show. Directors in this city KNOW that about her... at least the ones with a brian.

You directors need to realize that if you want talented kids,... with a LOT of esperience to show up for your audition and get cast in your show and in some cases, literally help get  you on the map, you need to show (some of) the kids a little respect. And to sell more tickets? So double-cast some of the adults, you'll sell more tickets that way too. Get two sound guys, and two set designers, and two choreographers, and two lighting experts, you'll sell more tickets that way too.

This theater, who practically begged me to promise I'd have her there, is very close to losing out because of this. I'm not a whacko stage mom. I have no stomach for it. It's my daughter who's upset. She's tired of being disrespected when she works so hard.

I'd love to hear your comments.

If you want professional-level kids to show up for a community theater show, treat them like professionals. I'm fine with double-casting when the schedule is very rigorous. Like once when there was 3 shows in one day (SOund of Music), and she was just 7. But don't lie and say it's becuase you think a kid might not handle it well, when there's just 8 shows and she's got more experience than most of the adults and all you really want is to sell more tickets. Then cast the fat little blobs with no talent. Their grandmas will still gladly buy tickets and you can still pretend to do real theater.

P.S. recently she want TRIPLE cast in a show that had 12 shows. the director, at a fringe theater (NOT community) actually told me she thought the role was SO DEMANDING it could "take its toll" on the kids. Then she had the balls to be miffed when we pulled out. Give me a break.

 

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bullet Posted: 10/31/06 at 10:53pm
Why do they feel they need to double-cast?  I don't know.  For all the community theaters that are run by people with strong work ethics and lots of talent and put on rewarding shows that are top-notch, there are plenty where it's Billy Joe and his neighbor, who don't really know much about theater, know they have the bluehairs locked in for audience, and know that they'll like the show even if the acting and directing are amateurish.  I get your frustration.  And I commend your daughter for her professionalism.  There are too many ADULTS in theater that behave like children; it's nice to see some children behave like adults.

At the same time, you said your daughter really wants this role.  Let her go for it.  Maybe I haven't always felt this way at the time, but in retrospect, I've never regretted doing a great part in a frustrating production.  I think if your daughter does this show, even under less-than-ideal conditions, she'll still look back fondly on the opportunity and challenge of the role.
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bullet Posted: 10/31/06 at 11:10pm

First, before I answer your question, I have to say that your attitude shocked me. I am assuming that you have never directed anything before and that your sole responsibility has been to get your daughter to rehearsals and shows on time. Given the tone of your post, I personally would be scared to death to cast your kid in anything I directed. I completely understand a mother being upset because someone has hurt her child's feelings, but REALLY you need to keep your attitude in check. There are lots of talented kids out there, and if you aren't careful, your attitude could eventually keep her out of being cast at all.

That being said - here is my answer to your question.

I have been directing children's theatre and community theatre shows for 10 years. I will cast understudies for the leads whenever I can. It isn't anything personal. It also isn't to sell more tickets, or because I have doubts about the lead being able to handle it. Even the most talented and professional kid in the world can still get sick. Am I correct in understanding that your daughter will only get to be in half of the shows, or is it double cast only to have a replacement if she gets sick?  It is still your choice to accept the role or not. So, if you aren't comfortable, say no and let another child have the chance to shine.

 

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bullet Posted: 11/01/06 at 2:49am
You have declined to mention the name of the play or which role is in question so it is somewhat hard to answer. I will say however that if it is a COMMUNITY theater as you mentioned then perhaps you should take a deep breath and try to remember that community theaters are there to enrich the community by involving as many people as possible. It could be that they simply want to involve as many interested and talented people as possible. Perhaps they didn't know the interest would be so high. Have they even held auditions yet? I don't see any reason for you to feel insulted or disrespected, you should feel proud that your daughter has shown the maturity and talent that made them want to invite her to participate in the first place. Frustration is natural especially for a young child (after all deep down actors all want to be the brightest star), but you have to learn to deal with it the same as you learn to deal with rejection, it's up to you to teach her that.
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bullet Posted: 11/01/06 at 2:59am
I agree with the other posts in respect to yours. However I also caught you & daughters frustration. Having been born at the stage door into a theatrical family, as mum would say "It is better to  just go mad & tear paper". What that has to do with it, I was never sure. It certainly can?t harm, I have used it to even get my point of view over many a time &/or just make a gawd awful mess - which also works!
Your daughter should be chuffed because she obviously has the talent, to get the part. Even though she believes she is the best duck on the pond. It is great experience for her, to handle any of these  situations, also giving her empirical skills for free, that will needed later.
As the old adage goes "if you want to succeed in this game, it takes 80% attitude & the balance made with knowledge, experience, talent & aptitude".  [ meaning talent only averages out @ 5%]
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bullet Posted: 11/01/06 at 6:34am

Thank you all for your thoughtful replies. I didn't expect so many in such a short time!

To falstaff: I believe this to be a fairly highly regarded community theater. Because we have some inside connection to this production is how i know they want to double-cast to increase ticket sales. THey SAID so at their production meeting. My point is why not do it with all the leads then, why just the kid role? I feel like they do it with kids because they CAN. Because the kids will put up with it. But the thing is, my daughter is saying to me that she's thinking of telling the Director that while she'd really like the part, she'd rather not be cast if is shares the role. I'm not sure I shouldn't discourage her from doing that.

To Suzecue: My attitude IS in check. Why do you think I choose to post on this forum? I only joined yesterday just so that I could because I'm not stupid enough to talk to ANYBODY in person about this. Unlike too many other stage moms out there, I am actually LIKED by directors. That's part of the reason why people involved in this production are being so candid with me. I post here because I'm hoping it is a safe place to do so and that I will get honest answers, and so far I have!

And yes, it is my understanding the each child will do half the shows. And because it's such a big role, it's a tremendous amount of work for just four shows. That's the part that really bothers both her and me. Is it fair for a director to expect top notch kids to show up to audition, expect them to give the role what it requires, and then only allow them half the performances in a teeny theater?

To eveharrington: No, no auditions yet. I'd tell you the name of the play but I don't know who reads these forums. Community theaters where I live are very competetive. Many are small-timey, but most strive to do as professional a show as they're able. But I will say this double-cast thing doesn't come up all that often at the professional theaters. And again, if they want to enrich the community, why not double-cast OTHER ROLES?

To Gaafa: Thanks, I enjoyed your post. At just 11 years old, the kid's got chops and the maturity to deal with all this and more. But that doesn't mean it doesn't grate on her. All she wants to know, (and what she constantly asks me) is why she can't be treated with the same respect as the grown-ups when she works just as hard?

So my question to each of you is: If she writes on an audition form (in a very polite tone) to the director that she prefers not to be double-cast, and you were the director, what would your reaction be? I fear that could hurt her chances more than it would help. But I really don't think she'll do the show if double-cast. And if the director doesn't find that out until AFTER he's offered the role to two kids, might he wish he knew sooner?

Thanks again for your feedback. It helps more than you know. 

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bullet Posted: 11/01/06 at 9:34am

Normally I wouldn't advise this but given the sincere tone of your post and that they asked your daughter to audition so earnestly, I'd dig in my heels and say only she plays the role if cast or nothin'.    As I said I wouldn't normally advise this tactic but I'd say you have a pretty good exception here.   It's rare that you have a child that has a good work ethic.    Most cts that double cast kids are because they need the dough from more ticket sales, membership fees or just don't think that most of the kids have the stamina to hold up for the given number of performances.    Go with your heart and what you know is right.

Good luck and break a leg!

 

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bullet Posted: 11/01/06 at 9:34am

Originally posted by ozarks

And yes, it is my understanding the each child will do half the shows. And because it's such a big role, it's a tremendous amount of work for just four shows. That's the part that really bothers both her and me. Is it fair for a director to expect top notch kids to show up to audition, expect them to give the role what it requires, and then only allow them half the performances in a teeny theater?

If that's the reason, that's fine, but make sure she knows that many college theatres only give three to five performances of each show.  I did a show in college that ran two performances and had audiences averaging eight people, and believe me, it was plenty of work.  When I did Shakespeare, it ran three performances, and I had 400 lines and we rehearsed for three months.

If you don't think it's worth it, let the director know and let the chips fall where they may.  Of course it might hurt her chances.  It would probably remove her chances, if I were the director.  But if it's not worth it, then it's not worth it.

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I have been in productions where we put in full hours of rehearsal and time, only to do TWO performances...  I agree with some of our friends here.. If she wants to do the show, she should do it. If half the nights are not enough, note it on the form or discuss it with the director.

Since you brought the subject up and on a side line, I HATE double casting.  So much so, I have made it a rule not to direct shows, or if possible, be in shows that the theater has requested be double cast.. IE, where in Wizard of Oz, they want to double cast Dorothy, the lion, the scarecrow and the tinman.  Great for the runners up, but plays heck with  the rest of the cast and chorus  who are trying to learn the timing and interplay with one set of actors one night, only to have another show up the following night.. the whole concept just isnt worth it to me..

 

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bullet Posted: 11/01/06 at 3:29pm

The only time I double-cast was in a high school production of "Arsenic".......NEVER again!  I had two girls who auditioned for Elaine and were equally good.  Since it was a production in a rural high school that didn't have a theatre program, I really wanted to involve as many kids as I possibly could (both on stage and back stage) and give them a chance to learn something about theatre, possibly whetting their appetites for the future.

Well, maybe it was just the work ethic (or lack of it) of one of the girls I cast, but she thought that since she was doing only half of the performances, she only had to put in half of the effort.  Or maybe she was just pi--ed off that I didn't cast only her even though when I was doing the casting I asked both of them if they would be willing to play the role if it was double cast.  They both said that they would; in fact the "lady in question" was very enthusiastic about the prospect, while the other lady (who did a marvelous job in the performances) was somewhat hesitant but agreed to do it anyway.  Well, the performance of the "lady in question" was so far inferior to the other girl's that people in the audiences questioned why she was cast instead of just letting the other girl play Elaine.  The only things that I took away from the experience were the hope that the "lady in question" learned a lesson (which I sincerely doubt...she - and her parents - thought she was marvelous) and the firm conviction that I would never double cast again.

Wow...all these years later and I still haven't let it go!  I guess I'll have something to discuss with my analyst during my next session!

 

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