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bullet Posted: 9/07/06 at 1:30pm
Topper, Topper, Topper I'm just LOL at your response.   I was thinking each and every one of those reasons in my initial reply to the topic.
 
Mike and all of you other folks who take the opposite view:  god love ya because just for the reasons so entertainingly enumerated by Topper I would never do that.   Sure there's the occasional exception for an individual actor but just how many different ways and times times can you gently tell people they suck without hurting their feelings. 
 
I suppose I'm extremely fortunate to live in an area that has one the densist concentrations of ct's in the country.  Within a 10 mile radius there are at least a dozen ct's thriving relatively well.  Most actors in this neck of the woods have tough enough hides to understand the nature of what they are getting into.
 
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bullet Posted: 9/07/06 at 1:50pm

I agree with many of the things already said on this topic, but wanted to mention how we handle auditions here.

At the auditions/callback the first and last thing said to everyone is "thank you for auditioning".  We then tell them that we'll be calling those who we are offering roles to by "end of the week" or whatever the time frame is.  I always over estimate that deadline to give time to deal with unforeseen casting concerns (or lack of male turnout, hehe).

I call everyone being offered a role.  But send a letter to those who aren't cast.  I always try to customize the letter to each person, and encourage them to audition for future shows and if appropriate point out specific upcoming audition or volunteer opportunities.

We've developed this method because we feel it is important to once again thank those who auditioned and not "leave them hanging" waiting for the phone to ring if they are not being cast.  It also eliminates that awkwardness of being the barer of bad news especially if there are kids involved.  I don't send the letters until I've spoken to all the actors who are being offered roles and they have accepted.  The letter also states "we don't have a role for you in the cast at this time."  Because I have had to go back to the audition pool to replace actors who had to drop out shortly after rehearsals began.

For me anyway, this method works most effectively.  It lets everyone know one way or the other, lets you give feedback to those not cast and avoids weepy or hostile phone conversations.

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bullet Posted: 9/07/06 at 2:07pm

    I,too, live in an area that is saturated with CT's. There are three major cities and three smaller towns all next to one another.  

I feel it's just common courtesy to call people who audition back.  Splititing up calling duties to other production people is an good idea especially if the director is busy or is uncomfortable with calling.  But the calls should be made.  I like to know that when I spend sometimes a whole evening at an audition that my interest in the play and the CT matters enough to be called- even to get a no.  And I have found that sometimes the 'no' is interested enough that they offer to work on the show in another capacity.  I have gotten several new crew members this way.

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bullet Posted: 9/07/06 at 2:37pm

AHHH!

Okay, one last point then I'm done... I can't count the number of auditioners I've called (many to turn down) who've been through the experience of auditioning for a theater that uses the "don't call us, we'll call you" method... they are always extremely grateful for the call and much more inclined to return (or work production).

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bullet Posted: 9/07/06 at 3:16pm

Mike I'll take a Guiness or Sam Adams!   Next round is on me.

Nah, they don't all suck.  They're actually pretty good around here for the most part.    We certainly thank people for their time and we always post the cast list to a "hot line" once everyone has accepted and sometimes post it to our web site.   No one is ever left in the dark as to who did get cast.

The letter idea by 75director isn't a bad one, eliminates that awkward conversation.   I personally, however, don't have the discipline to take that kind of time for it.

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bullet Posted: 9/07/06 at 5:14pm
B-M-D  If you're a Guinness drinker, I've got your next round.

I also resist calling those who I've not cast.  I work for three different theaters and they all contact actors not cast after the director has gotten "yesses" from the actors he's chosen to use.  Two of the companies send letters and one makes the phone calls.  When I first directed for the phone call theater, I told them I would prefer to not make calls to those not cast.  I was informed it was their theater's policy (fair enough, although it was only one of the "unwritten rules" I encountered there, but that's a different story).  I said, "fine, I'll have my producer call those not cast.  I believe after settling on a cast, my time is better served working on the show with the cast".  They said fine---I made no calls-----producer had no idea why they had been passed over----could do nothing other than offer regrets and an invitation to audition for the next show, and to not miss this one. Having the producer make the calls is now their policy (other directors there wondered why they themselves hadn't said no years before) and they all lived happily ever after. 

My reasons for not wanting to call.

1. How do you tell someone they have no reason to ever step foot on stage?  (We've all seen terrible performers audition) Or....how do explain that you really don't understand all that went into your casting decision.

2. I need to assemble my cast in one place and begin rehearsing.

3. I don't want to leave a message if the person is out, which means I would spend more time calling again and again.

4. If you're good enough and popular enough and put up shows the theaters and audience like, you can do whatever you want (within reason----don't unnecessarily bash me here folks )

5.  "Don't call us, we'll call you" is a cliche for a reason.  I have never been called by a company to tell me I haven't been hired....I don't expect it, and I think theaters that do require it may be putting an unnecessary strain on their directors, particularly a new director.


by the way    I admire you directors that do call    it's just not for me, and as has happened many, many times in my life.....i just may be wrong.
 

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bullet Posted: 9/07/06 at 5:23pm
On my audition form I let everyone know up front that we call those who are cast and notify those who are not cast by email.  If you aren't clear up front it is probably best to call everyone ... That part sucks!
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bullet Posted: 9/07/06 at 7:12pm

Okay, I'm not done...

I have a question; how many of you directors who don't call (I don't want to use the word "rejects" here, it sounds so un-PC) those actors who were "not up to this challenge" have professional or semi-pro experience?

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bullet Posted: 9/07/06 at 8:40pm

Ok Mike I think I see where you're goin' with this one.     

While the ct experience isn't a professional environement I think most good or better ct's attempt to produce as professional a show as possible.  If your argument is that it's the "pros" that take the less than humane practice I'd beg to differ.   At least in my experience even the pure "amatuers" around these parts don't make the calls and most actors don't expect it.  

And CastMe I agree with you 110% and thanks for the Guiness!  I've got next round after you.   Someone take my car keys, please!

Mike, I never did answer your question directly.  I'll leave that a....mystery.

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bullet Posted: 9/07/06 at 8:48pm
I worked as a director professionally for thirty years - nobody ever calls
those uncast to let them know they were weren't cast.

However, when working in a CT, I *always* call (or my assistant does) and
thank people for auditioning and let them know the theatre hopes to see
them at the next auditions.

Being nice doesn't hurt at all and it doesn't cost a penny.
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