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bullet Topic: Massive Huge Tall Platforms...
    Posted: 8/21/06 at 10:33pm
...that have to move.

Hi folks, a bit new here, but have worked on a number of shows.

Designing/Building a set for a production of Rocky Horror, and require two platforms, approx 8'x8, 5.5' to 6' tall.  That have to roll, but thankfully, only on one axis.

I can't seem to visualize the most proper/safe/study legs and for these things, and I'd be happy for any suggestions anyone can offer.  I'm not afraid to over-engineer the thing, but I can't have it too heavy to move.
 
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If you're interested, here's the last set I built, for a production of Leader of the Pack at Cresson Lake Playhouse in Cresson, PA.  Rocky Horror is being built for the same company:

http://webpages.atlanticbb.net/~ezahurak/set/


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bullet Posted: 8/22/06 at 9:02am
I don't have a clue about your question LOL - but I sure wish I had you
around when I was directing "Leader of the Pack" - terrific set design/
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bullet Posted: 8/22/06 at 11:45am
I know nothing about set construction but would those big thick tubes that carpet is rolled on in the stores work?  I don't know if engineering wise they would work well or be safe to hold the weight of a platform. When my CT needs columns for a set  we go to the local outlet carpet store who donate their empty tubes us. 
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bullet Posted: 8/22/06 at 12:44pm

This isn't too hard to do, but the details really depend on what has to happen under the platform.

The way I would build this is to actually create two platforms framed with 2x4s. I would put caster wheels on one of the platforms, and attach the legs to the second platform and put it on top of the first. For legs I would go with 4x4s (or 2, 2x4s attached together). For an 8x8 platform I would put legs in the four corners, one half way down each side, and one in the middle. Finally, add some cross bracing to stabalize the whole thing.

If you need the area underneath to be more open, you will want to frame the top platform with something larger then 2x4s, may 2x8s instead. This way you could get away with fewer legs.

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bullet Posted: 8/22/06 at 11:18pm
Dan, thanks for the tip!  What you describe certainly sounds like the way to go.   Nothing much needs to happen beneath the platforms, but I will need to make the lower platform a tiny bit smaller than the top one (where the top would be 8x8, the lower would be about 6.5 x 7, aligned on the frontside and outside edges) to allow for a set of stairs to be rolled underneath and to leave enough room behind for a crossover.   Most of the weight will be on the aligned edges so I don't think the overhang will be all that tipsy, especially when the platforms are butted up against each other.

Tristan, thank you for the compliment.  As you can probably guess from the drawings, CLP is a tiny tiny place that's *tough* to build for.  Pulling that one off was no small feat. I had a lot of fun putting it together and am quite pleased that others like it, too.

Sondra, I don't know that those tubes would work to hold up my lumber in this case, but it's inevitable that sooner or later I will need big tubes/rolls for something and I hadn't thought before to check the carpet stores.  Thanks for the suggestion, it will come in handy.


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bullet Posted: 8/24/06 at 4:13pm
Sounds like you got your answer, let me just say Rocky is my fave show to work on (I have 3 productions under my belt) Always a good time. Enjoy!!
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bullet Posted: 8/24/06 at 11:10pm
Yeah, but it figures -- now that I got an answer, the thing doesn't have to move.  Bummer.  I was looking forward to making it move.  It'll be cheaper and easier to build now, though.

This will be my second year working Rocky, but only my first year building.  I've seen the thing countless times.  It's always great fun.
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bullet Posted: 8/25/06 at 7:36pm
LOL.  EddyZ I love how you find a solution to a problem and then it gets cut.  I was working in a summer stock theater a number of years ago and the director of "Wait Until Dark", a literalist, I guess, (and my least favorite kind of director) decided he wanted one of the steps to squeak because Suzy, the blind girl mentions the fact that two different visitors had shoes that squeaked.  "The audience should be able to hear the shoes squeak".  I thought,  if they didn't hear anything they'd put it down to the fact that the remaining senses of blind people are hightened.  (They aren't, but that's another matter).  So I built a step in the staircase that squeaked when tread upon.  But only one step.  And only for one character, because it shouldn't make any noise when others stepped on it.  Figured it out. Rebuilt the step.  Re-rebuilt it the next day when Mr Director decided it was too annoying.  Jerk! But it did work, by god, and for two days I felt like a genius.  And I've never again had to make a step squeak. 
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bullet Posted: 8/25/06 at 10:18pm

I agree with Dan's excellent advice, but with one small variation. I would never use 4x4 for legs, as I don't think it is really necessary - too heavy and too expensive. I would use two 2x4s for each post, but not flush with each other to make the equivalent of a 4x4. Put them in the shape of an "L" and space them every four feet each way, making a total of nine doubled up legs. Then again, if the audience is going to see the legs, 4x4 might be called for. Definitely screw the legs together at their bases, cross brace with 1x4, and build a 2x4 frame around the base of each platform. I always double up legs when they are 4' or more long, or if the platform is going to have to support an insane amount of weight (usually 8+ adult actors).

Putting casters on such a beast would have added a whole additional degree of complexity. Be thankful you were spared that requirement.

Good luck!

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bullet Posted: 8/25/06 at 11:19pm
castMe, not to detract in any way from what you figured out, but I woulda just made the actors whos shoes needed to squeak carry little squeakers concealed in their pockets or somesuch.  You can get 'em at magic shops, or ripping apart doggie chew toys. :)  Might take some playing with them to get the sound just right, though, but likely easier than messing with lumber. :)
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