Active Topics Memberlist Calendar Search Help | |
Register Login |
Directing | |
Community Theater Green Room Discussion Board :Producing Theater :Directing |
Topic: changing profanity( Topic Closed) | |
<< Prev Page of 14 Next >> |
Author | Message |
b6307
Walk-On Joined: 7/14/05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 0 |
Posted: 8/09/06 at 7:41am |
While not technically legal, pdavis69 brings out an interesting point about knowing what your audiences will put up with and what they won't. I directed a production of "Catfish Moon" which is about three "good ole boys" going on a fishing trip in the South and mulling over the in's-and-out's of life. True to character, when good ole boys get together there's going to be some amount of drinking and cussing. I knew that we were going to have a problem with certain of our more faithful "blue-haired" lady patrons and while I don't personally use, or like used around me, that kind of language I felt that the play wouldn't be credible without some of this "realism". I knew this is what the author intended, it's why he wrote it that way but I also knew that the *f* bomb and certain other choice expletives just wouldn't go over in a public performance in our community. So I let the actors come up with other expletives that lent realism yet were.... more palatable and less offensive to the sensibilities of our patrons. We still had two ladies get up in the middle of a performance and walk out, even with a warning in the publicity and programs about "salty" language but sometimes that's the best you can hope for. Did I strictly adhere to each word in the script? No. Did I satisfy the playwrights intent? Yes. I guess you could say I was a victim of situational ethics but let's be honest....who isn't. We all pick and choose which rules we're going to follow on any given day. I'll be more concerned about getting every jot and tittle in the performance when someone can find me an actor that doesn't drop or adlib a line in every production.
|
|
IP Logged | |
Mike Polo
Admin Group Community Theater Green Room Joined: 2/01/04 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 286 |
Posted: 8/09/06 at 8:44am |
I have to admit that I've done the same thing when I've felt the author was just trying for a little shock rather that adding something that moved the plot along. I think we've all done it, or at least seriously considered it. It's tough to reject an otherwise excellent play because the author wants to make it "edgy" by tossing in language that can be considered offensive. I can cuss like a sailor given the right provocation, but some plays I've read seem to drop these words in to replace punctuation. On the other hand, having done some writing in my time, I understand where the author (and his/her publisher) is coming from - it's called protecting your work. The post that started this thread asked "is it OK?" The answer (regardless of whether we've done it and gotten away with it) is "No." It isn't OK. If you do so, you run the risk of getting caught and punished. Be aware. |
|
IP Logged | |
B-M-D
Celebrity Joined: 11/03/05 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 346 |
Posted: 8/09/06 at 1:28pm |
b6307 writes: Did I strictly adhere to each word in the script? No. Did I satisfy the playwrights intent? Yes. I guess you could say I was a victim of situational ethics but let's be honest....who isn't. We all pick and choose which rules we're going to follow on any given day. I'll be more concerned about getting every jot and tittle in the performance when someone can find me an actor that doesn't drop or adlib a line in every production Mike Polo writes: On the other hand, having done some writing in my time, I understand where the author (and his/her publisher) is coming from - it's called protecting your work. The post that started this thread asked "is it OK?" The answer (regardless of whether we've done it and gotten away with it) is "No." It isn't OK. If you do so, you run the risk of getting caught and punished. --------- I will attempt to not rant and rail on this topic as I have previously. Mike I couldn't agree with you more! But b6307 what you write shows an enormous disrespect to the playwright and their work and a rationalization that attempts to pass as reasoning. Has anyone even considered ASKING the playwright or publishing house if these kinds of changes can be made. Neil Simon aside many of them being sensitive to the nature of their work and potential audiences might actually say yes and would be grateful to have their worked performed. To unilaterally make the decision to change someone else's words, no matter how innocent the intent, is wrong. And if they say no, it means no and don't perform that show. Seems rather simple to me.
|
|
BD
"Dying is easy, comedy is hard." |
|
IP Logged | |
b6307
Walk-On Joined: 7/14/05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 0 |
Posted: 8/09/06 at 1:47pm |
My bad that I failed to mention that I had contacted the playwright (via the publisher) in this particular case and did recieve a "No problem!" but my point was there should be some flexibility here. In fact I recall, in some cases, I've read some scripts where a playwright has given advance OK for minor word changes as long as the substance/meaning of the passage isn't changed. Slippery slope I know and obviously a new playwright just trying to get his material produced but yes, the point is taken that we should ask before doing. |
|
IP Logged | |
B-M-D
Celebrity Joined: 11/03/05 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 346 |
Posted: 8/09/06 at 2:30pm |
Then you are solid ground if you've gotten an ok (but I'd get it in writing if I were you) and/ or it stated it in the script that you could do so. I've seen some scripts that even offer substitutions for the original dialog. My appologies for the tounge lashing. |
|
BD
"Dying is easy, comedy is hard." |
|
IP Logged | |
jayzehr
Celebrity Joined: 8/11/05 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 537 |
Posted: 8/09/06 at 5:29pm |
Many times I've wished someone WOULD show up and punish actors for screwing up the script! |
|
IP Logged | |
Mike Polo
Admin Group Community Theater Green Room Joined: 2/01/04 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 286 |
Posted: 8/09/06 at 6:31pm |
I had a bookholder who used to rap me on the knuckles with a script... does that count?
|
|
IP Logged | |
jayzehr
Celebrity Joined: 8/11/05 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 537 |
Posted: 8/10/06 at 3:21pm |
Did it work? |
|
IP Logged | |
75director
Celebrity Joined: 8/19/05 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 122 |
Posted: 8/11/06 at 12:37am |
Okay I agree that changing a script is not only illegal, but just plain bad form for one artist to do to another. However, language is often a consideration for many community theatres as a certain percentage of our subscriber bases can't look beyond a small collection of four letter words. I have been noticing more script where they specifically give you alternative lines, two examples that pop to mind are "Sylvia" and "I Love You, You're Perfect, Now Change." (both shows I've recently worked on) So I think that's good that some authors realize the bind some theatres can find themselves in. And an interesting side note to the topic that kind of started this thread, Neil Simon's "Rumors". When directing the show several years ago I found this statement in his second autobiography "The Play Goes On" at the end of the the chapter on "Rumors" (I'm attributing this quote so please Mr. Simon don't sue me):
Hmmmm. I've been meaning to share that observation for a while, but haven't been home with the book infront of me until tonight. |
|
IP Logged | |
JoeMc
Celebrity Joined: 3/13/06 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 832 |
Posted: 8/11/06 at 1:22am |
What I have found over time is that it depends on how the
performer actually delivers the word or words within the context of the
script.
You can usually pick this up at the beginning of rehearsals, especially when they sub continuously over emprise the word by giving a slight pause &/or belting it out with gusto, thus high lighting it. Treating the word as they would any other, works very well & becomes unnoticeable. I have proved this time & again by quietly asking those who I think could be offended after the show or from the members of the local blue rinse set I know would be offended. Invariably they have to think hard or can?t remember any offensive words being used. |
|
[western] Gondawandaland
"Hear the light & see the sound! TOI TOI CHOOKAS {may you always play to a full house!} |
|
IP Logged | |
<< Prev Page of 14 Next >> |
Forum Jump |
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |