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museav
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Tired_Yeti
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Joined: 4/11/11 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 4 |
Posted: 4/12/11 at 1:36am |
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Hi all!
New member here! I just joined today. Glad I found this forum.
Our theater pays for the scripts and music. We have a professional videographer come in and make a DVD of one show so the cast and theater can have a copy. The downside for me is that usually the DVD isn't available until the run is over so I never get to critique myself and improve my delivery in the show through watching myself perform. I assume the theater keeps a DVD for archive purposes. In the past, the theater asked for $10 from each actor for their DVD (to cover costs of production); however, I don't think they try to enforce that. One show I was in, all the actors refused to buy the DVD. I was the only actor who got a DVD but I managed to negotiate getting it free.
I don't see anything wrong with filming a performance if the DVDs aren't sold. The theater pays for the scripts, rights, music, etc. and the actors, director, stage manager and everyone else puts in a great deal of effort to make a good show. Seems only resonable that we'd get to take a souvenire home. I don't see a problem with putting in on YouTube for that matter either; although, I never have. YouTube doesn't charge anyone to see the videos and seeing a video on YouTube isn't a substitute for going to the theater. I've never met anyone who told me they weren't going to a show because they'd already seen it on YouTube.
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skoehler
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Posted: 4/12/11 at 8:44am |
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It is entirely possible that the laws will change over the course of the next decade or so, but for now it is not a question of making money or charging for videos. It is a matter of legality.
The fact is that the contracts you sign expressly forbid the video recording of the show. To ignore that is (on paper at least) no different than ignoring any other law. The publishing house usually does not own the video rights, so do not blame them. the world has changed, and in many ways these current laws are a little obsolete, but they are for now the law. Work to change the laws, don't just ignore them. This is not a matter of resisting a bad law, this is an example of blatant disregard for the law. |
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Steven Koehler
Managing Director Civic Theatre of Greater Lafayette www.lafayettecivic.org |
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JoeMc
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Posted: 4/13/11 at 12:29am |
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Welcome 'Tired yeti!'
 Me thinks your attempting to push it hill with your nose!
Your mob only paid for specified stage performances of the show, the recording rights are a separate issue entirely & attract a heftier fee & lollygagging licensing permission process. However a number of publishing agents are offering groups to video their production, for a fee of course. One that comes to mind is is STUART a member here;- Edited by JoeMc - 4/13/11 at 12:39am |
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[western] Gondawandaland
"Hear the light & see the sound! TOI TOI CHOOKAS {may you always play to a full house!} |
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Tired_Yeti
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Posted: 4/16/11 at 1:52am |
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Well, I confess that I stand corrected.
I guess the theater is asking for $15/each for DVDs of the last show. As far as I know it's only available to cast and crew. I don't really know much about it as I haven't heard much.
I'm gathering from this thread that the theater is treading on thin ice.
Does anyone have any links to sites that explain the laws concerning this?
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Tired_Yeti
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Posted: 4/16/11 at 2:07am |
I think perhaps the laws may need to be revised; however, I don't know (at this time) who to go about that. In fact, I don't even know what the laws are regarding these things.
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poindexter05
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Posted: 4/16/11 at 9:21am |
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In the days of VCR, there was little chance of the public being aware of a taping for distribution to the cast and archives... In today's digital world, a publisher could Google your YouTube upload as easily as one of us could. Our CT does not have the no-taping issue challenged often, though we recently did a large musical as a benefit production with a local high school and trying to stop diva Mom's and Dad's from taping their future Broadway stars is impossible without almost coming to blows. The clips did make their way to YouTube in spite of all the promises and innocent looks.
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dboris
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Posted: 4/18/11 at 12:37pm |
The same laws would apply to an other licensing company.
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VisionE
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Posted: 5/05/11 at 2:24pm |
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For the teen theater I work with, we usually video tape the the show and provide copies to the actors. The director writes nearly all of the musicals we have done so we have permission to video tape them. I do not think she charges others much for the right to tape them.
It is nice to be able to do this legally. When my daughter was in a middle school play, they did not video it and the audience was told not to do it ourselves. Despite that I saw several people with cameras. |
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http://www.ectheatre.org/
http://www.spotlightmusicals.com/ |
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museav
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Posted: 6/10/11 at 9:40am |
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It's interesting to compare the results of this poll with the results of http://www.communitytheater.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3857. I wonder if this reflects a misconception that having any rights equates to having all rights or provides some justification to overlook other rights.
It seems that many people think the issue is whether one profits when what is actually involved is whether one benefits, which may or may not include any financial benefit. If the actors or family are asking for recordings then that seems to suggest there is some perceived benefit associated with that. And a recording used to review and assess performances seems intended specifically to provide some benefit.
While not necessarily legal, there can be a significant difference between a recording made for personal use and a recording that is distributed or one for which someone is paid. I really question how 'professional' a videographer is if they record a performance and provide a copy without verifying that the related rights have been procured and I wonder if their agreement includes some language saying that you are asserting that you have procured all related rights.
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