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    Posted: 2/09/10 at 2:07pm

Can anyone recomed an option to wagon brakes?

I build sets for a childrens theater group. We'll have as many as 80 children in our productions. We have a large stage so many set pieces are needed. Most pieces are 4 feet deep by 8 feet wide and as tall as 5 feet. The wagon brakes work OK until the kids start dancing on the sets. In many shows the sets are rolled out with the children already on them, so lifting them and using blocks is not an option. We can't drill holes in the floor for pins and anchors. Any ideas would be appreciated, this has been an ongoing problem for years. Thanks.
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bullet Posted: 2/09/10 at 6:28pm

What type of brakes do use at present?

Normally we just use foot operated door stops that are availble from the local hardware store.
You can use the fixed castors with brakes incorporated, as foot operated step on to brake & release. These could be operated by leaving the upstage side of the rostra truck open framed allowing foot acess. 
 


Edited by Gaafa - 2/09/10 at 6:46pm
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bullet Posted: 2/09/10 at 8:05pm
These are the units I have been using.
 
 
There are some tricks though.
 
This device is really designed to hold a something on a workbench and are not super heavy duty. They come with a bolt and a rubber foot that are really weak. The little rubber foot is much too small to hold a wagon in place. If you forget to release it, the rubber foot will rub off onto your floor and provide little resistance. If you allow more than 1/4" of the bolt to be exposed, the bolt will bend and become useless, or the bracket will bend. It can be straitened on a work bench, but it isn't trivial.
 
My trick is to mount a 2"x3" oak block to the bolt with very little of the bolt showing (countersink the bolt). I then put a ribbed rubber pad on the bottom of the block.  Then mount the brake on the side of the wagon with the block on the floor, and the handle sticking straight out. That way it only lifts the wagon by enough to slightly take the load off of the wheels. I usually put both brakes on the same side of the wagon. If you do it this way the wagon is really hard to move without releasing the breaks.
 
If you use them this way they work very well.


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bullet Posted: 2/10/10 at 10:39am
I always use wagon locks from Rose Brand.  I use the standard size for lightweight rolling furniture units.  But for most large wagons that hold actors/dancers, I use the Heavy Duty size that are much stronger.  Here is the link to the Rose Brand heavy duty locks:  http://www.rosebrand.com/shop/subcategory.aspx?id=211&sort=R&p=4
 
Thumbs%20Up David's idea of using wooden blocks at the bottom of the piston peg is outstanding.  I plan to try this some day.  Cool!  This is a good improvement, because I have bent or broken many of those foot pegs due to stress and wiggle.  Plus the rubber bumpers on the bottom of the pegs always get worn off when people, (directors!), push wagons off stage themselves without thinking to open the locks!  So thanks for the great ideas David!
 
Lamp One more note for everybody:  I always call these devices "wagon locks", not "wagon brakes".   You may think it's a minor point of semantics, but I feel it is an important distinction.  You don't want your crew to think they are "brakes", because this implies that they are sturdy enough to stop a wagon in motion!  Like brakes in a car. 
 
These devices are actually "locks" because they merely lock the wagon into place during the scene, so it doesn't wiggle under the actors' weight.   I recommend that everyone out there in dramaland get in the habit of calling them "wagon locks".
 
 
Pinch  Similarly, I always use this same distinction when describing the red handles on the flyrail of my counterweight fly system. 
 
Years ago I used to call them "brakes".  But my all-time-best fly crew student, James Scoggins, wore out my locks and ropes by using those handles as "brakes"!!!  Yikes!  I didn't realize this until after a terrific run of Hello, Dolly. 
 
James could perform a fly cue in 1.5 seconds!  (He was a stocky guy on the wrestling team).  During a musical, James would stand on the rail, and when the SM said "go", he would jump off the rail!  The backdrop would wiz outward.  Then he would hit the red handle with his knee!!!  The backdrop would skid to a halt, up in the loft.  This technique made for the fastest scene changes in town!  But ultimately I had to replace all 26 red handle units after 7 years of otherwise average use.  (100 bucks apiece!)  
 
So today I make a point to teach the crew that the red fly handles are "locks", intended for securing the load at trim height....not "brakes",  intended for saving your hands from rope-burn.  That's what the leather gloves are for guys! 
 
And like I said, the "wagon locks" are not "brakes" either.
 
Brake a leg!  Wink  -Dana


Edited by Mr. Lowell - 2/10/10 at 10:56am
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bullet Posted: 2/10/10 at 11:01am
Yes, Lock is a better term. I'll try to call them by that name.
 
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bullet Posted: 2/10/10 at 11:06pm
These days I don't have a lot to do with rostra trucks but I like Daivds idea of the 'locks & the reason of not using the bbrake term.
For the most part when we have trucked sets on it has been a straight on/off movement. Using a flat brased 'T' frame, painted black. The cross bar is attached by hindges to the trucks plynth, so the cross bar of the T frame jams against the castors, when the T frame is lowered to flat on the deck. In that position the truck won't move especialy if a stage hand is standing on it off stage, only allowing movement when the T frame is lifted to a push pull height.
I remember it well doing much the same as Mr Scroggins, jumping off the fly rail for the curtain call bounce with the house rag. Then riding the rope back up to reverse the rag.
This was before the advent of fly rail locks, sp I never thought of them as brakes. In fact if we needed to lock off ropes in an over, under or out of weight situation. We used the good old 'snot knot' as a line lock which could be aplied quickly & most Flymen would have a snotting strop hanging around thier kneck, that was quick to grab & lock off the counterweight hand lines. Also there was a variety of coloured strips of cloth near the rail, to mark off the top & bottom deads. Using a 'Fid', 'pusher' or 'wand'.


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bullet Posted: 2/11/10 at 11:36am
David. Adding the block to the existing brake/lock looks like a great idea. We'll give it a try. Thanks for the drawing.
 
Thanks everyone for your thoughts on terminology.
My first experience with set construction was 15 years ago, for our groups production of The Music Man. I showed up as a volunteer and had no experience with theater of any kind. I was asked to dismantle some of the "wagons"  from the last production, Bye Bye Birdie. The only wagon I saw had Wells Fargo written on the side. Oops! Before anyone knew it I had the thing in pieces. The "set designer" blew his stack, packed up his stuff and we never saw him again. Fortunately a few of the volunteers were contractors, and we were able to complete everything ourselves. I've been doing this ever since.
 
By the way, since then, any set that rolls on wheels we call a truck instead of a wagon. My idea.   Thanks again.
 
 
 
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bullet Posted: 2/11/10 at 12:59pm
To stageright57:  Your anecdote is priceless!  I laughed out loud and I'm still laughing, because I have witnessed very similar events in the 30 plus years I've been addicted to theatre.  With anybody new to theatre I tend to use non-theatre communication while educating them to the jargon.  They tend to look at me funny if I don't.  Thanks for making my day!
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bullet Posted: 2/19/10 at 12:44pm
Just a suggestion...    try google'ing "wagon lock" and see how many hits you get for wagon braking mechanisms (the answer is none).     Now google "wagon brake".   You will find that there are hundreds of hits related to theatrical wagon braking mechanism.
 
Changing the name of a wagon brake to a wagon lock will work as well as trying to teach people not to call a paper tissue a Klenex.
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bullet Posted: 2/19/10 at 1:28pm
Good point. If we teach people to call it a brake they will be able to find one in the future, but they will have a hard time finding a "wagon lock". They will have to explain that they are looking for the device that keeps wagons from rolling away, at which point they will be corrected;"Oh, you mean a wagon brake".
 
Sorry Dana
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