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    Posted: 11/19/09 at 9:13pm

Hi!  I'm not sure if this should go in tech, but since it's used by an actor, I'll try here.  I'm costuming a production of YCTIWY, and somehow got roped into working out the special effects (and the hair and the makeup too) - gotta love Community Theatre!  LOL

Our theatre prohibits all flame and smoke, which leaves me in a bit of a pickle, since Paul and DePinna are supposed to be working on fireworks in the basement, and they bring up their "red fire" to show off.  Does anyone know something we can use that will produce a cool effect without flame or smoke?  I know we can fake it with lighting, but I'd like something a bit niftier than that.
 
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bullet Posted: 11/20/09 at 1:47pm
Well, I used to work in the pyro industry, and had a product that was pretty safe to use, but all permitting and licensing and insurance still had to be met. 
 
I would try to find a red strobing bicycle light that can fit into a pan or bowl- that would create light on actor's faces.  Smoke for the effect is a different matter- there are small smoke/vapor devices available, maybe you can find one of the smaller ones that an actor can have on their body, and then have a tube go from the smoker, down a sleeve, to have smoke coming from close to the pan.  I believe the scene calls for the effect to come on stage while burning, then be put down on a table.  For the suggestion of the fact that the family deals with this all the time, have metal trivets around for the pan toland on. 
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bullet Posted: 11/21/09 at 9:43am
In the very old days people used to use red and orange silk for flames.  They would have the silk above a fan and a light.  The fan blew the silk upward, as the air movement caused the silk to undulate in the air, the light caught the surface and looked much like a campfire, fireplace etc.
 
I wonder if a similar idea could launch and retract the silk from a sleeve?  I know that magicians have tubes up sleeves for silks scarves.  If not silk, then mylar. 
 
The launch could be a variation on the party noisemaker that rolls and unrolls quickly.  Perhaps the actor thrusts his arm down and out flicking the wrist, so that the silk/mylar unrolls and then palms the device when it rolls up.  Perhaps you take a real party noisemaker --remove the noise maker itself--and put a red silk sleeve over the rolled up tube
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bullet Posted: 11/21/09 at 4:25pm
I cut a hole in the table and hid my own version of a blowing silk kind of "fire" under the hole. a small centerpiece on the table hid the hole until the lights were turned down and the frying pan replaced the centerpiece. I wanted to cut out the bottom of the pan and have the flame come up through it but it wound up just being downstage of the flame. I did not use smoke for that effect.
 
One of those Halloween  flaming silk cauldrons might work as well with red gels and most of the other lights off.
 
For the conflagration in the basement I fed a separate substantial sound system backstage with a sub-woofer the sounds of a bunch of explosions and pops with a little reverb that I complied in an audio editing program. The same sound was fed to a disco lighting machine in "color organ mode" with 4 different colors (reds and oranges) just outside the door to the basement. To ad a little sparkle to the effect I made up a bar of four single use cameras and rewired them to a "nail board" so that I could randomly flash them, and they got gels as well. Just after the effect started, I let out a fairly short burst of smoke that sort-of billowed into the room toward the end. It was pretty effective.
 
I have not tried it, but yo may be able to fill a trash bag from a smoke machine outside and then squeeze the bag to release the smoke. That may be controlled enough that it won't set off the alarms in the management or the theater.
 
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bullet Posted: 11/23/09 at 4:19pm
Thank you all for your great suggestions!  I am excited to experiment and see what works for us.
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bullet Posted: 12/01/09 at 4:51pm
Duh- protective clothing is also suggested-(welder's gloves, lab coat, eye protection, etc)
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bullet Posted: 12/01/09 at 5:19pm
Somehow I wouldn't expect the clowns in "You can't take it with you" would take the precaution of wearing "protective gear". It also sounds like they won't be using any "real" pyro in this production.
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