Community Theater Green Room Discussion Board: Archival Recording

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StarDiva
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Topic: Archival Recording
Posted: 9/10/09 at 11:12pm

Hello all!

I'm sorry if this has been posted before, but I've just spent the last half hour searching every key word I could think of on this and other forums.

My question is this... is it legal to make an archival recording (to stay at the theatre with no copies made for cast members, etc) of a show?

It's amazing that I can't find any info anywhere on this! I would appreciate any info!

Thanks!!

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DWolfman
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Posted: 9/11/09 at 11:32am

Welcome to the forum, StarDiva! Glad you've joined us.

An in-depth article on your question

is located here on Dramatic Publishing's site

(although all companies have similar stipulations):

Videotaping - The Ugly Truth

In short, the only way you can legally film

a performance is to obtain permission from

the publisher (which most often is not given).

-DW-

Even a man who is pure of heart...

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Rorgg
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Posted: 9/14/09 at 11:23am

I think it's loosened up a slight bit since then -- I've heard that one or another of the larger houses does offer taping rights on some of their shows for internal purposes -- but it's an additional licensing fee.

Still, not a generally good situation all about.

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Nanette
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Posted: 9/16/09 at 11:51am

On this same topic .....

When possible, we record an archival copy on tape and then have it transfered to DVD. I have purchased a new camera that records directly to a memory card to save the extra expense of having it transfered to DVD.

Ahem ... the tricky part. The lady who usually tapes for us told me she intends to still record to tape "for her own copy". We'll see about that! (Board meeting tonight!)

In a world of margarine, be butter!

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David McCall
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Posted: 9/16/09 at 2:12pm

If I were a member of a group that made any kind of recording of a show, I don't think I would put it in writing in a public forum or even email. It would make it much too easy for them to track you down, but that is just me.

I understand some of the reasons that the rules are the way they are.

If you do a great recording and it gets out you will be competing with official productions that pay the owners royalties.

If you do a bad production and let it out then you might make the show look bad.

If people can find a recording of a show, they could steal the set design. Perhaps not a big issue in a community theater, but might upset the designer at an equity theater.I often check online for pictures of shows I am about to do for inspiration. If I can't find much, I might buy or rent the movie. When I say inspiration, I mean it. I have no interest in making a poor copy of a recognizable set. I'd rather use my own design.

If an actor blows it on the night the show gets recorded, then that actor and the troupe in general will look bad for all eternity.

I'm sure we could all come up with other reasons.

I also understand why people would want to have a DVD of a show they worked on. If you do record your shows don't admit it in public. They don't come after people all that often, but if you make it too easy, you might be one of those that get to be an "example".

David M

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Posted: 9/17/09 at 5:54pm

When I've worked Equity (AEA) shows, I've had to get written permission privately from each and every actor. That was always fun!

Rick
http://www.bway2.com/tracks

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JohnnyOneNote
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Posted: 9/20/09 at 7:31pm

There are changes coming in the Fair Use Copyright act that will solve some of these issues. Just have to wait for that to pass this January I believe it is?

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StarDiva Walk-On Joined: 12/29/06 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 0	Topic: Archival Recording Posted: 9/10/09 at 11:12pm
	Hello all! I'm sorry if this has been posted before, but I've just spent the last half hour searching every key word I could think of on this and other forums. My question is this... is it legal to make an archival recording (to stay at the theatre with no copies made for cast members, etc) of a show? It's amazing that I can't find any info anywhere on this! I would appreciate any info! Thanks!! SD

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DWolfman Celebrity Joined: 7/07/05 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 134	Posted: 9/11/09 at 11:32am
	Welcome to the forum, StarDiva! Glad you've joined us. An in-depth article on your question is located here on Dramatic Publishing's site (although all companies have similar stipulations): Videotaping - The Ugly Truth In short, the only way you can legally film a performance is to obtain permission from the publisher (which most often is not given). *-DW-*
	Even a man who is pure of heart...
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Rorgg Celebrity Joined: 2/10/09 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 151	Posted: 9/14/09 at 11:23am
	I think it's loosened up a slight bit since then -- I've heard that one or another of the larger houses does offer taping rights on some of their shows for internal purposes -- but it's an additional licensing fee. Still, not a generally good situation all about.
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Nanette Celebrity Joined: 8/01/06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 399	Posted: 9/16/09 at 11:51am
	On this same topic ..... When possible, we record an archival copy on tape and then have it transfered to DVD. I have purchased a new camera that records directly to a memory card to save the extra expense of having it transfered to DVD. Ahem ... the tricky part. The lady who usually tapes for us told me she intends to still record to tape "for her own copy". We'll see about that! (Board meeting tonight!)
	In a world of margarine, be butter!
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David McCall Celebrity Joined: 1/28/09 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 299	Posted: 9/16/09 at 2:12pm
	If I were a member of a group that made any kind of recording of a show, I don't think I would put it in writing in a public forum or even email. It would make it much too easy for them to track you down, but that is just me. I understand some of the reasons that the rules are the way they are. If you do a great recording and it gets out you will be competing with official productions that pay the owners royalties. If you do a bad production and let it out then you might make the show look bad. If people can find a recording of a show, they could steal the set design. Perhaps not a big issue in a community theater, but might upset the designer at an equity theater.I often check online for pictures of shows I am about to do for inspiration. If I can't find much, I might buy or rent the movie. When I say inspiration, I mean it. I have no interest in making a poor copy of a recognizable set. I'd rather use my own design. If an actor blows it on the night the show gets recorded, then that actor and the troupe in general will look bad for all eternity. I'm sure we could all come up with other reasons. I also understand why people would want to have a DVD of a show they worked on. If you do record your shows don't admit it in public. They don't come after people all that often, but if you make it too easy, you might be one of those that get to be an "example".
	David M
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musikman1 Lead Joined: 4/06/08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 35	Posted: 9/17/09 at 5:54pm
	When I've worked Equity (AEA) shows, I've had to get written permission privately from each and every actor. That was always fun!
	Rick http://www.bway2.com/tracks
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JohnnyOneNote Walk-On Joined: 2/18/07 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 7	Posted: 9/20/09 at 7:31pm
	There are changes coming in the Fair Use Copyright act that will solve some of these issues. Just have to wait for that to pass this January I believe it is?
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