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bullet Posted: 6/24/08 at 8:08pm
In thinking about this topic your license for doing a show is much like renting a car from Avis.    Let's say you rent a Toyota Corolla.   Your rental agreement gives you the right to drive the car and you agree to reasonably take care of it while it's in your possession.   It doesn't allow you to paint a racing stripe down the middle or to remove the Toyota logo from the hood.   It's still a looks and runs like Toyota Corolla so why should Avis be upset?   I think the answer is painfully obvious. 
 
So why then when most of us wouldn't even think about doing that to a rental car do some of us think that intellectual property is deserving of less consideration?   The fact is that our intellectual property (even beyond that of "drama") is one of most the valuable assets that an individual or organization can posses.  
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I am an Actor and Director. My wife is a writer. I can say for certain, if I were to produce one of her shows and tell her that, "the phrase in this one spot didn't work so we changed it". I would need a come-along to remove the script from my nostril... if she was in a good mood. Some lines, lyrics, even small words seem inconsequential but you try telling that to the person who may have thought about using the word "the" in a particular seen for 2 weeks that it didn't matter and doesn't change the show in the slightest. Maybe it doesn't... BUT that writer chose EACH of those words for a reason.

 
That being said... I am just as guilty as several other people when it comes to "editing" without permission. And I was just as wrong. I was too lazy too ask permission and I should not have done it. I understand "comfort zone" and I understand the urge to do the show you want. But, sometimes you can't get both.
 
Your director is quite right, people do it all the time. Everyone on here is entirely accurate. It does seem like doing 67 in a 65. It is illegal. It can get you into trouble. So, let me ask you... "What will it hurt to ask for permission?" It's possible you might find out not only is it OK, but that they actually have a children's version edited by the playwright.
 
The worst they can do is say "no".  If they do, at least you'll know.
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bullet Posted: 6/24/08 at 11:04pm
Originally posted by sconjott

Some lines, lyrics, even small words seem inconsequential but you try telling that to the person who may have thought about using the word "the" in a particular seen for 2 weeks that it didn't matter and doesn't change the show in the slightest.

"Scene" any good typos lately?
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bullet Posted: 6/25/08 at 8:19am
Originally posted by Kim L.

I hope I don't open a can of worms by asking this question or upset anyone.
Now you didn't believe this for a minute did you?  This one has been hashed and  rehased so many many times. 
1. Its wrong dont do it. 
2. It infringes on the authors artistic product.
3. it violates your contract with the leasor.
4. If you feel you will have trouble with the verbiage, concider not DOING the play.
5 Its done by many to make a show acceptable to the audience or update its datedness. This does not make it right.
6. Everyone knows this happens, including the author and the house.
7. But, should you feel the need to do this, THIS is not the place to talk about it, as many agents read this site and may well take action as is thier RESPONSIBILITY should they become aware of it.
8. As well as many who would LOVE to either tell you how wrong it is or even alert the publishing house as is there right.
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bullet Posted: 6/30/08 at 8:32am
Although you cannot change anything without permission, with a lot of publishers, doing a play in the school setting comes with understanding.  I have never directed a kids play exactly exactly as it was written, and I've always been able to get permission.  Most of the time, my changes have been adding characters (very minor parts) or adding a made up song to a non-musical.  Call and talk to the customer service people when you order scripts.  Community groups that I've worked with have had more difficulty than I have in the school setting with this.  Its so hard to find the perfect play for an always changing number of kids that asking is really the only way to get a script perfect for that group.  Good luck!
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bullet Posted: 6/30/08 at 9:40am
Originally posted by techiedirector

Although you cannot change anything without permission, with a lot of publishers, doing a play in the school setting comes with understanding.  I have never directed a kids play exactly exactly as it was written, and I've always been able to get permission.  Most of the time, my changes have been adding characters (very minor parts) or adding a made up song to a non-musical.  Call and talk to the customer service people when you order scripts.  Community groups that I've worked with have had more difficulty than I have in the school setting with this.  Its so hard to find the perfect play for an always changing number of kids that asking is really the only way to get a script perfect for that group.  Good luck!
 
Wasn't quite sure where you were going with this at first but very good advice.   Asking, usually nicely, and explaining the circumstances will sometimes get you the results you're after.   I'd only add that once you've gotten the verbal permission or agreement to any changes that you get it in writing from the publisher, just to avoid any misunderstanding or mis-interpretation by them.
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So, when an actor - on-stage during a performance - forgets a line and another actor steps in to help get everyone back on track, does that constitute changing the show?
 
If so, should we just let the looooong silence go onstage and kill the pacing of the show until the actor finally remembers the line (exactly right)?  
 
If not, why not?  It seems to me no one could prove one way or the other that it was planned or not.
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Originally posted by doublezero420

So, when an actor - on-stage during a performance - forgets a line and another actor steps in to help get everyone back on track, does that constitute changing the show?
 
If so, should we just let the looooong silence go onstage and kill the pacing of the show until the actor finally remembers the line (exactly right)?  
 
If not, why not?  It seems to me no one could prove one way or the other that it was planned or not.
 
Nope that does not constitute changing a show or dialog.   That's someting that inevitably will happen during the course of a show.   There is no intent to modify the script.    No, what we've all been talking about in this post and others is the deliberate intention of changing, dialog, lyrics, gender, etc. 
 
And yes before anyone "discovers" the bright idea of just happening to forget the dialog in a show to suite the situation, we all know that it happens.  And no, it's not right and it shouldn't be done. 
 
So what's the next "yeah but what if...." question that anyone can possibly come up with for this subject.    I thought I left that course of logic after my daughter turned 10.Smile
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bullet Posted: 8/18/08 at 4:21pm
This is interesting. I just got my copy of Every Christmas Story Ever Told (And Then Some!) from Playscripts, Inc. and it contains the following production notes:

"The script is peppered throughout with topical references and a few local/theatre specific references, which by the time your production roles around might be as topical as the Chia Pet, so feel free to update them (for the love of God please update them). Likewise, think of the script as an all-cotton sweatshirt: stretch it to fit the particular quirks and talents of your cast, crew and audience."

However, I'm somewhat curious about whether or not the playwrights have legal permission for all the riffs on Christmas television specials including snatches of songs. Are you allowed certain latitude with parody in this case?
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bullet Posted: 8/19/08 at 9:50am
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However, I'm somewhat curious about whether or not the playwrights have legal permission for all the riffs on Christmas television specials including snatches of songs. Are you allowed certain latitude with parody in this case?
 
You're essentially correct.   In copyright law parody and satire is usually viewed as fair use and is given a liberal degree of latitude in creative works.   The logic being that it is unlikely to be mistaken for the original work and therefore unlikey to have any effect on the potential market for or value of the copyright protected work.
 
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