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jayzehr
Celebrity Joined: 8/11/05 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 537 |
Posted: 4/15/08 at 7:17am |
I'm sure it's out there somewhere. It's just not in anyone's financial interest to distribute something they can't make any money off of. Why don't you try someone from the music department at IU? I did see quite a few interesting songs in the public domain while I was surfing. With some imagination you could come up with an interesting royalty free musical revue. So, I guess you've abandoned your Annie project? |
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landon2006
Star Joined: 3/10/08 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 55 |
Posted: 4/15/08 at 7:34am |
No, Annie is going to be our local production to raise money for our tour of Babes in Toyland.
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jayzehr
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Posted: 4/15/08 at 3:51pm |
Landon, I don't know much about musicals but it occurs to me that maybe something like You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown or Godspell might be easier for you to start out with if you don't have much experience producing musicals. You'd have a smaller cast, smaller set requirements, easier to costume, etc. while still having good name recognition.
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landon2006
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Posted: 4/15/08 at 4:15pm |
Jayzehr: I have experience in musicals, I've produced and directed several. There is actually two reasons we want to do Babes in Toyland. #1 is that it has name recognition, and it also has the ability to done very elaborately. #2 is that since we will be touring it around the large venues, we don't want to be stuck paying $4,000 per performance royalties to license houses. If we commission our own, we don't have to pay any royalties, and we can make extra money on licensing the rights, soundtracks, merch, etc.
We are also currently in consideration of "A Little Princess" through Princess Musicals, but there we again have royalty issues as well as lack of rights. Also, since this is a very small musical without much in the way of a large name, we might have issues with filling the seats. |
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jayzehr
Celebrity Joined: 8/11/05 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 537 |
Posted: 4/16/08 at 8:14am |
Reading your myspace page and what you've posted to this group leaves me pretty confused. Your plan is to use community theater volunteer labor to put on a show, then take the proceeds from that to finance a professional touring production? |
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landon2006
Star Joined: 3/10/08 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 55 |
Posted: 4/16/08 at 10:44am |
Not technically,
Annie will be a professional show as well, at least in theory. I guess the question where is what determines "Professional". We are not, and don't have intentions of going equity, but in all intents and purposes we have decided that everyone involved in our productions should be paid. Now this does not mean we hire only "professional" people, we have just taken the route of employing instead of volunteering. When we started the group we had no intention of paying anybody or going on tour... We were just wanting to start a Community Theater... This new turn in our company was brought on by the desire to branch out and serve more than just one community, as there are many communities across the state and America for that matter that don't have access to quality Theater. As for paying people, naturally if were going to pull them away from their jobs for days on end, money needs to be involved for them. Also, we are still considering rather Babes in Toyland is the one we want to go with or not. We currently have permission to tour "A Little Princess" which would be a much simpler production. I won't know till I bring up the contract for Princess at the next board meeting. |
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JoeMc
Celebrity Joined: 3/13/06 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 832 |
Posted: 4/16/08 at 12:20pm |
I know here there is a State & Federal minimum wage, arbitrated for the industry concerned. Which also covers workers compensation & impacts on all the other insurance concerned. Along with 4 weeks/year Holiday pay + 17.5%, 5 days public holidays & 6 days/year rostered days off. Also limited to 35 hours/week & that includes travelling time. First 4 hours over time is @ Time & a half, the balance @ double time. This is only the state basic wage & is not under the Arts, Media Alliance [equity] award.
We have a mandatory national health scheme, I'm sure you would have to pay for a premium price health insurance.
Here there are other things like, if the finale curtain falls beyond 11 PM, all shall be payed at the rate of double time for a minimum of 3 hours & if the employee does not have 12 hours break between shifts, is entitled to an extra weeks pay. Plus all meals & accommodation &/or a pedium/day
So I'm sure even if your not an equity company, you would come under some form of minimum wage & conditions liability. Unless it is a profit share & that's another kettle of fish?
I'm sure you would have thought about it & have insurance & safe guards in place?
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[western] Gondawandaland
"Hear the light & see the sound! TOI TOI CHOOKAS {may you always play to a full house!} |
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landon2006
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Posted: 4/16/08 at 1:24pm |
"So I'm sure even if your not an equity company, you would come under some form of minimum wage & conditions liability."
Yes, even non-equity must abide by all federal and state employment laws, including minimum wage, which is currently $5.85 / Hour in Indiana as well as mandatory workers comp insurance. Under state or federal law, offering company health insurance and 401 (k) plans are all optional, especially if for non full time employees. As to min/max hours, etc... When not using union employee's you can ultimately work people as much as you want under what terms you want, with to provision of more than 40 hours per week is overtime @ 1 1/2 times pay by law. IATSE however has there own rules, and since most of the larger Theaters require using there labor (stage hands, flymen, riggers, etc) we will have to abide by there somewhat stricter laws concerning min. hours worked, max. hours worked, breaks, etc. Actors, Makeup & Wardrobe, SM's, PA's, etc are not union however, so only covered by state and federal labor laws. |
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JoeMc
Celebrity Joined: 3/13/06 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 832 |
Posted: 4/16/08 at 10:10pm |
That's great! So long as your covered if caught with your pants down!
Being a retired Justice, it never failed to amaze me, while sitting on the bench. The number of bods who believe they can make a contractual deal outside the law?
Here everyone that earns income pays 1.5% of their nett income, as a Medicare Tax Levy, unless they earn below the Tax Free thresh hold of about 10 grand/year. So there is no need for a provision to have hospital or medical insurance paid by the employer.
What is rather funny here is, the previous Federal Government spent $billions setting up 'Work place agreements' to side step the arbitration & union system award agreements. With a whole department assigned to oversee each individual agreement, between the boss & worker. They firmly believed that no employee could be bullied into signing, under the threat of loosing their jobs. Which was a political fantasy.
The new Labour government chucked the whole system in the bin & redeployed those in that department, to sharpen pencils elsewhere in other government employment. Which cost more $millions for everyone to go back to square one - all on the stroke of a pen!
There again one thing we have not got sorted out, is residual payments for participants in recorded performances, such as Film, TV, Video & whatever. Like other Countries - But that is on the horizon & not that far away!
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jayzehr
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Posted: 4/16/08 at 10:40pm |
Landon--There's nothing wrong with thinking big as long as you're being honest with everyone about your experience and knowledge. If you're thinking you might want to manage and produce touring shows that will play large venues my suggestion would be to first try and find a job in some capacity working for a company that actually does that so you can get some real world business and theater experience. If you're still in school, another option might be to get involved in theater productions at your college or university.
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