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lebraatt
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Topic: Creating a Forest Effect onstage
Posted: 11/01/07 at 4:36pm

Hello to All,

I am putting up Neil Simon's "Proposals" in January, and I want to create a forest onstage. I know this is an ambitious task but just wanted to know if anyone else out there has done this and any advice on how to proceed.

Thanks!

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Posted: 11/02/07 at 1:37am

I don't know the show?
If you require just an effect you could project the image required, fairly cheaply using the Pacific [Selecon] Profile Lantern [ElipsodialLight] ;-

Iam a Selecon Pacific Zoom;-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrP5cPKlw_c

Pacific projection;-

http://www.seleconlight.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=159&Itemid=211

Gobo's from a Desktop PC;-

http://kave.co.uk/Kave_New/pdf/acetate_gobo.pdf

Or really El cheapo with the Linnebach flood rear projection;-

http://www.britannica.com/eb/topic-342553/Linnebach-lantern

Any old lamp like a flood.Or a Fresnel with reflector & lens removed will work.
Not a sharp images more of a shadow silouette.
With the Pacific Profile you can project from the rear, using just a Scrim or bouncing off a Cyc as the screen.
RP or FP inage screens can cost you a few bob, unles you can cobble one together yourself, as the material is not that costly bought by the metre.
However 'Vickifrank' a member of this forum, would be better to give you an idea on either Painted or scrim image fabrics &/or other ideas.
http://www.studio-productions-inc.com/
If you don't have a lot of space US to project, you can play about with bouncing the projected image thru a mirror, which can give increase by a factor upto 1:5 in size. However it can take a lot of messing about keying in & masking to achieve the results.
But you need to be judicial with the level & focus of the general lighting wash.
With front image projection the actors may get in the way of the light beam & cast shadows, unless it can be focused from the overhead ['X' Postion] & aviod the warm props or set pieces.

[western] Gondawandaland
"Hear the light & see the sound!
TOI TOI CHOOKAS
{may you always play to a full house!}

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Posted: 11/02/07 at 11:12am

One of my favorite methods is appropriate for Into The Woods and Midsummer Nights Dream is to create the Forest with hanging cut softgoods. I prefer to use cut scrim (not sharkstooth). So imagine large leaf shapes hanging down from battens on stage--but you can see through the layers, and now you project the gobos into it to get a dappled shade. This is less realistic and more suggestive. Unlimited entrances...and some fun when you blow around the softgoods, allow them to move in the heat currents, or move them with actors brushing by. Note that this must be a scrim material that you cut and won't curl or unravel--that's why sharkstooth won't do it. But it can be other softgoods too.

The second more realistic method involves a few cut drop scrims painted with trees as 'legs' and either a full stage scrim with a forest projected on it upstage behind the legs or a painted forest scene upstage. Now you have two or four entrances (two behind legs, two in fornt of legs). My company has a few of the scrim cut 'legs' for rent and the full stage width scrim for rent.

JoeMc's projection works well for these variations on a theme too. I'd at least have gobos to break up the light and pop the scene for the audience.

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Posted: 11/02/07 at 10:36pm

Great ideas there vicki & augmenting with breakup gobo's does fuel the punters imagination & add to the feel of a glade on the sward.
If going to the cost of a suitable gobo is a problem, they can be made up cheaply, using a piece of tin cut to fit the profile lamp & punching nails holes in it. Also using split gels to colour up, I normally cut them on an angle corner to corner from two colours [green/yelow or gren/samon depending on the season], jioning them together using clear sticky tape.

[western] Gondawandaland
"Hear the light & see the sound!
TOI TOI CHOOKAS
{may you always play to a full house!}

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ruthrbns
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Posted: 12/17/07 at 5:36pm

Hi

First of all wishes from me for making the forest theme on the stage.

Anyway, My suggestion for this will be follows:

If you are using the forest for the kids show, just use the colorful objects and more colorful lighting. More over use the color papers ans paintings in the background. It will increase the eye appeal for the children and the audience.

If it is for the big shows or for the youngsters, just use the original equipments like wood, leaves, trunks, mud and colorful lighting for the stage and the background.

http://www.wilddesign.com/store/plastastic.html

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kalloo
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Posted: 12/31/07 at 5:31pm

We have successfully used camo netting , cut and draped to create a forest effect. Hang it above trunks made from wood and bark effects made with moulded plaster, styrofoam or whatever you have on hand.
Caryl

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Cguidry
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Posted: 2/15/08 at 11:58pm

Hi,

We are doing The Wiz and I was interested in renting scrims, legs, etc. Please send me your information.

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Posted: 2/16/08 at 9:17am

Hi Cquidry,

You can find rental prices and information at: http://www.studio-productions-inc.com/rental_order.html. Typical rental is 15' 2" x 30' which rents for $195 for two weeks. We even have an "OZ" scrim, which is solid green.

Feel free to contact me through private messenger or call 1-800-359-2964 in USA or 1-812-579-5063 from outside the US.

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http://www.studio-productions-inc.com
1-800-359-2964

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lebraatt Walk-On Joined: 8/22/06 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 0	Topic: Creating a Forest Effect onstage Posted: 11/01/07 at 4:36pm
	Hello to All, I am putting up Neil Simon's "Proposals" in January, and I want to create a forest onstage. I know this is an ambitious task but just wanted to know if anyone else out there has done this and any advice on how to proceed. Thanks!

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JoeMc Celebrity Joined: 3/13/06 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 832	Posted: 11/02/07 at 1:37am
	I don't know the show? If you require just an effect you could project the image required, fairly cheaply using the Pacific [Selecon] Profile Lantern [ElipsodialLight] ;- Iam a Selecon Pacific Zoom;- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrP5cPKlw_c Pacific projection;- http://www.seleconlight.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=159&Itemid=211 Gobo's from a Desktop PC;- http://kave.co.uk/Kave_New/pdf/acetate_gobo.pdf Or really El cheapo with the Linnebach flood rear projection;- http://www.britannica.com/eb/topic-342553/Linnebach-lantern Any old lamp like a flood.Or a Fresnel with reflector & lens removed will work. Not a sharp images more of a shadow silouette. With the Pacific Profile you can project from the rear, using just a Scrim or bouncing off a Cyc as the screen. RP or FP inage screens can cost you a few bob, unles you can cobble one together yourself, as the material is not that costly bought by the metre. However 'Vickifrank' a member of this forum, would be better to give you an idea on either Painted or scrim image fabrics &/or other ideas. http://www.studio-productions-inc.com/ If you don't have a lot of space US to project, you can play about with bouncing the projected image thru a mirror, which can give increase by a factor upto 1:5 in size. However it can take a lot of messing about keying in & masking to achieve the results. But you need to be judicial with the level & focus of the general lighting wash. With front image projection the actors may get in the way of the light beam & cast shadows, unless it can be focused from the overhead ['X' Postion] & aviod the warm props or set pieces.
	[western] Gondawandaland "Hear the light & see the sound! TOI TOI CHOOKAS {may you always play to a full house!}
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vickifrank Celebrity Joined: 9/21/07 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 332	Posted: 11/02/07 at 11:12am
	One of my favorite methods is appropriate for Into The Woods and Midsummer Nights Dream is to create the Forest with hanging cut softgoods. I prefer to use cut scrim (not sharkstooth). So imagine large leaf shapes hanging down from battens on stage--but you can see through the layers, and now you project the gobos into it to get a dappled shade. This is less realistic and more suggestive. Unlimited entrances...and some fun when you blow around the softgoods, allow them to move in the heat currents, or move them with actors brushing by. Note that this must be a scrim material that you cut and won't curl or unravel--that's why sharkstooth won't do it. But it can be other softgoods too. The second more realistic method involves a few cut drop scrims painted with trees as 'legs' and either a full stage scrim with a forest projected on it upstage behind the legs or a painted forest scene upstage. Now you have two or four entrances (two behind legs, two in fornt of legs). My company has a few of the scrim cut 'legs' for rent and the full stage width scrim for rent. JoeMc's projection works well for these variations on a theme too. I'd at least have gobos to break up the light and pop the scene for the audience.
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JoeMc Celebrity Joined: 3/13/06 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 832	Posted: 11/02/07 at 10:36pm
	Great ideas there vicki & augmenting with breakup gobo's does fuel the punters imagination & add to the feel of a glade on the sward. If going to the cost of a suitable gobo is a problem, they can be made up cheaply, using a piece of tin cut to fit the profile lamp & punching nails holes in it. Also using split gels to colour up, I normally cut them on an angle corner to corner from two colours [green/yelow or gren/samon depending on the season], jioning them together using clear sticky tape.
	[western] Gondawandaland "Hear the light & see the sound! TOI TOI CHOOKAS {may you always play to a full house!}
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ruthrbns Walk-On Joined: 12/13/07 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 0	Posted: 12/17/07 at 5:36pm
	Hi First of all wishes from me for making the forest theme on the stage. Anyway, My suggestion for this will be follows: If you are using the forest for the kids show, just use the colorful objects and more colorful lighting. More over use the color papers ans paintings in the background. It will increase the eye appeal for the children and the audience. If it is for the big shows or for the youngsters, just use the original equipments like wood, leaves, trunks, mud and colorful lighting for the stage and the background.
	http://www.wilddesign.com/store/plastastic.html
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kalloo Walk-On Joined: 10/05/07 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 0	Posted: 12/31/07 at 5:31pm
	We have successfully used camo netting , cut and draped to create a forest effect. Hang it above trunks made from wood and bark effects made with moulded plaster, styrofoam or whatever you have on hand. Caryl
	Caryl
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Cguidry Walk-On Joined: 2/15/08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 0	Posted: 2/15/08 at 11:58pm
	Hi, We are doing The Wiz and I was interested in renting scrims, legs, etc. Please send me your information.
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vickifrank Celebrity Joined: 9/21/07 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 332	Posted: 2/16/08 at 9:17am
	Hi Cquidry, You can find rental prices and information at: http://www.studio-productions-inc.com/rental_order.html. Typical rental is 15' 2" x 30' which rents for $195 for two weeks. We even have an "OZ" scrim, which is solid green. Feel free to contact me through private messenger or call 1-800-359-2964 in USA or 1-812-579-5063 from outside the US.
	_____________ http://www.studio-productions-inc.com 1-800-359-2964 The theater scrim people
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