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    Posted: 1/18/08 at 4:19pm
First of all I wanted to say hello and introduce myself since I'm brand new as of today, and just found this sight yesterday!!!  I've read a couple articles on starting your own company (SHOULD you begin, and the article about non-profit organizations) which I found to be immensely insightful and just got me even more excited.

I'm from Portland Metro area in beautiful Oregon, and am a theatre major from Whitman college.

OK now to my question:

My passion is to create a theatre in my community that will not only draw an audience and create culture, but also stretch them with regards to plays (ie not doing ONLY comedies but also introducing them to dramas as well).  That being said, I would love to put my heart and soul into this (When I get into a project I go all the way), however there is the fact that I must also make a living.  So my question is...is there a way to create a company (non-profit) and be one of the main directors of it and be able to make an income that I could conceivably live comfortably with?  Regardless I'm planning on having a go at it anyway, I"m just hoping that I can make a living off of this since I currently am not fancying my current job.

Can't wait to hear replies and I look forward to meeting people and swapping ideas/knowledge!
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bullet Posted: 1/18/08 at 4:59pm
This might be up the spout as the articles are for Not For profit!
Anyhow thr the Front Page on the Greenroom ;-
 
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American Ass9ociation ofCommunity Theatre;-
 
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bullet Posted: 1/18/08 at 5:55pm
Thanks Joe! Thanks for the link to the articles for Green Room. I did see the aact website.  I just was curious if anyone on here had actually started a company and was able to live solely off of running it. 
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bullet Posted: 1/18/08 at 9:06pm
I think you might be whistling against the wind here Tom!
I don't know your Incorporation laws, but here the only way to live on the brass, is an an employee for the incorporated strucrure.
 However other members may know how it can be done there, although I think you will be pushing 'it' up hill with your nose!
May I suggest 'You get yourself a proper job to earn a crust?
Thus start up an Ameatre within the community & let it be what it is. Or take the chancewith some gold bricks & build up a Proeatre Wink
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bullet Posted: 1/18/08 at 10:06pm
As a community theater, you are not in it to make a living.  Though some community theater do hire staff for various positions, many are part time jobs and lower pay on the scale. 
Your best bet is to contact your small business association and do a feasability study to see if a group like you are proposing would survive.  Some things that you may need to do is not only produce various shows but to offer theater classes, allow for various events when the theater is down between products, etc. 
But as I said, you should do a feasability study and this can be done threw the SBA (Small business association).
Unfortunately, if you really want to make a go at it, you'll need to have other work to suppliment your income.
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bullet Posted: 1/19/08 at 7:46am
I agree with biggertigger ... the only way you'll make any money is to offer classes.  Sadly, you'll most likely never make a living in a community theatre.  (Wouldn't it be nice, though?!)
 
You could also do what some theatres do in large towns;  host themed birthday parties, complete with costumes and props.  Personally, I cringe at the idea, but it's a real money-maker.
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bullet Posted: 1/20/08 at 10:24pm
Yeah I figured as much with regards to Comm. Theatre.  I do like the idea of classes though, I think that would be a great idea while the theatre is dark.  I will check into seeing what the SBA has to say.

Thank you all, I really appreciate your input!
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bullet Posted: 1/21/08 at 8:44am

Classes are a great idea.  You can also do this for companies and schools--I've seen skits used for diversity training, sensitivity training, de-escalation of violent situations, and even used to announce corporate policy change.  I say companies, because that's where the money is, but you will be up against credentialed trainers.  For schools there can be grants to do such training.

Also, nursing homes can be desparate to get entertainment and lessons brought to the seniors.  I suggest acting lessons (paid to you) and a show put on in the senior center.
 
To do this you may need to have the non-profit theater and a side business for Theatregal79 because I'm not sure how'd you do with the 501c laws (IRS rules for non-profits see:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501(c))
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bullet Posted: 1/21/08 at 11:31am
You can contact your SBA, but I think an even better place to start is with your local, regional, or state arts council.  Every state has one, but it's a hit or miss thing on a local or regional level.  Talk to them about the theatre needs in your area and how you might want to help to fill those needs. 

For the time being, plan on keeping your "day job".  I don't say this to be discouraging.  To be honest, I don't want to be encouraging or discouraging.  I think the research you do in looking at the feasibility of starting something will be encouraging or discouraging enough! 

Also, don't decide yet if it should be a community theatre, an educational theatre, or a professional theatre.  None of these preclude being non-profit (which can be a very daunting process).  First, talk to local theatre people, local arts people, and others and come up with a vision.  Build the dream then begin to put together the steps you will need to take to make it come true. 

Trust me, you will most likely have to make tons of compromises along the way, but if you always keep the core concept intact, you'll be okay. 

Good luck - and keep us posted on your progress!


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The short answer to your original post is, yes, you can make a living working in community theatre.  Although, many theatres have all volunteers.
 
Our theatre has 2 - full time employees and 1 part time employee.  We have 474 volunteers on our list.  Of course, some more active than others.  But, there are theatres with 12 - 15 staff and have budgets of $750,000. - $2 million.  When we started more than 30 years ago we produced 2 plays a year, with all volunteers and a budget of $2000. a year.  Now, we have a budget of $280,000.  We are in Iowa and there are about 85 community theatre groups.  I think there are about 36 regulars part of IACT (Iowa Assoc. of Comm. Theatres).  The National Association (AACT) has about 3,500 active member theatres.  In benchmarking several years ago we found that the average salary for the theatre manager (General Manager, Executive Director, Managing Director) was between $30,000 - $50,000.  I know several that make more than that.  But, starting from new, it will take some time to build that up!
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