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bullet Posted: 11/10/07 at 3:52pm
jayzehr - key in your question is the phrase "appropriate professional response." And we could even drop "professional" to avoid semantic complications vis-a-vis amateur vs professional, equity vs community theater.

I'll go on record as saying that if you audition for, and get cast in, a production, you implicitly (at the very least) agree to the "rules", as it were, of the house, director and producer.  As an actor, you are effectively an employee.  However this particularly theater operates, that's what you do, without complaint (which could subvert the "community" part).  After the last bow, you gather your stuff and run into the night, never to return again.

So it might make sense to ask not only what is the rehearsal schedule, but what is expected of each and all in their contribution, above and beyond line memorization, hitting your mark, and making your exit.   
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bullet Posted: 11/11/07 at 10:40am
Right on, actor david!  On a more personal note, this was one of the most difficult things I had to overcome in my early years of acting - second guessing the director and generally criticizing the director's process.  It's something that perhaps many of us have to overcome.  For many actors, no matter how much they liked the show, they would not audition and work with certain directors because they did not like their process.  I think this is a very valid set of considerations for actors to make. 

Instead of "professional" response, perhaps the more appropriate descriptor would be "mature" response.  Rather than bitching, moaning, and casting a disruptive attitude over the rest of the cast because you don't like the process, suck it up and act like a mature adult.  If what the director is asking the cast to do is so disruptive to your personal process that it is a detriment to your creative abilities, then either have a private discussion with the director about how to deal with that, or, very early on - like the very first rehearsal when such a process is presented - quit the show.  Now that's extreme, but appropriate only if you were not warned before accepting the role.  Better to leave the show early than be one of those negative influences on the rehearsal process.  But the best situation is what David is suggesting - make such biases clear with the director before the casting process. 
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bullet Posted: 11/14/07 at 2:50pm
Coming late to the table but I'd have to agree with Tony Di on this topic (though somewhat long winded).   I don't really care how you as an individual prepare just don't get me involved with all the touchy feely navel gazing exercises.  I'll take care of myself thank you.   And I never, ever participate in any of it even when the director insists that I do.   What was all that rehearsal for?  And yes I'm a pretty darn good actor and very low maintainence as many of my castmates will agree.
 
And while we're at I've never had "pick-up" rehearsal between weekends that was ever worth a darn either.   If you're that rusty after 3 or 4 days away from the show then something is very, very wrong.
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bullet Posted: 11/15/07 at 8:12am
Originally posted by B-M-D

Coming late to the table but I'd have to agree with Tony Di on this topic (though somewhat long winded).   I don't really care how you as an individual prepare just don't get me involved with all the touchy feely navel gazing exercises.  I'll take care of myself thank you.   And I never, ever participate in any of it even when the director insists that I do.   What was all that rehearsal for?  And yes I'm a pretty darn good actor and very low maintainence as many of my castmates will agree.
 
And while we're at I've never had "pick-up" rehearsal between weekends that was ever worth a darn either.   If you're that rusty after 3 or 4 days away from the show then something is very, very wrong.
 
What?  ME?  Long winded?  Where'd you get that idea!?LOL  At any rate, I hope I did not and do not come across as non-supportive of the show, the director, the cast, the process or anything like that.  I am as you mention, extremely low maintenance as well.  Difference is, I've been at this nearly 50 years. I am NOT the greatest ever and don't make any claim remotely close to that. I simply don't need that "touchy feely" stuff either.  To me it's counter-productive and usually is only done (IN MY EXPERIENCES) by directors who learned it in school and who don't have better ways of preparing the actors or the show.  Now I know that's not the case for everyone - just many of those with whom I've worked (sadly). BUT I ALWAYS do my job.  And someone mentioned the issue of not going along with things when you were cast and that's the way things are run with the show and everyone should simply be in compliance regardless.  Well believe me, I let ANY director know up front that if I am being considered I DO NOT engage in those kinds of prep games.  But I CAN guarantee I'll be prepared - and it's something I DO ON MY OWN, physical, vocal, mental or otherwise.  I don't dive on stage doing back-flips unless I've warmed up.  (Point is I never could do that so not to worry).  As for vocal warm ups, I've been a singer for 44+ years, I've taught  voice and I know what it takes for ME to prep in that regard.  And as long as I've done my homework, I have NEVER had any trouble delivering lines.   Simply put, I prepare long in advance and I just don't need that time-wasting game playing routine (FOR ME again).  And as I said, I don't care if anyone else does it. Fine with me. Whatever it takes.  just don't FORCE ME to do it.
 
And I TRULY AM low, low maintenance as an actor so please don't misunderstand that I come off as the arrogant, ego-driven type.  I'm all about doing my job to the best of my ability using whatever I have learned to prepare the best way for ME. And I know there are a lot of people who have had less opportunity or experience perhaps, that MIGHT THINK they (need?) that.  But that too is where I disagree. I don't think ANYONE NEEDS it - I just think they NEED to be taught to do their jobs properly (if they don't know)...something I've seen lacking both in amateur and professional theater.  So one is not excluded from the other.  Just my opinions and YES, LONG AGAIN!! SORRY.
 
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I must agree about those waste-of-time pick-up rehearsals. But I blame that on the director (and everyone who doesn't WANT to be there) that the speed-throughs or whatever are just there and precipitated by history of actors NOT doing their jobs and staying "in the book" while off and doing nothing for days at a time. It's all about preparation as far as I'm concerned.
 
Oh yeah, one more thing....whomever said that doing as "professional a job as possible" even in COMMUNITY THEATER ( and yes I've been on both sides of this issue) as....
 
I think there is nothing as dangerous to community theatre as trying to incorporate a professional orientation
 
 that makes it not worth the effort....then thank you but I never want to be in one of your shows.  I think ANYONE - professional group or not - can benefit and exhibit that kind of demeanor when involved in a production no matter what it is.  It can only net you better and better results than to relegate everyone to simple amateur status by virture of a word that you use to define what they do.  At best it demeans that they may have those abilities or can make those kinds of personal committments to that level of quality.
 
I approach EVERYTHING I do in theater as if it WERE a professional gig because I want it to be the best I can make it be.  And as with many things, you want success, you look at successful people and emulate what they do to the best of your ability.  But to say, we're amateurs (even if we are) in community theater is putting limits on talents that some people may not even know they have or abilities far beyond mere amateur status. My opinion.  It's just the way I do it. I could expound but I'm FAR too long on this already. Enough from me.
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bullet Posted: 11/15/07 at 9:32am
Originally posted by TonyDi

And someone mentioned the issue of not going along with things when you were cast and that's the way things are run with the show and everyone should simply be in compliance regardless.  Well believe me, I let ANY director know up front that if I am being considered I DO NOT engage in those kinds of prep games. 

Tony, that was me in a post above.  For the record, I've never been in a CT show where touchy-feely took place, at least not as part of the rehearsal/warmup/preshow session.  And I think it's fair enough as the actor to have your own set of "rules" as long as you're up front at audition/casting about them.  I do have my own warmup routine that does not infringe on anyone else, and I am always ready to deliver 100%, so maybe I count myself lucky.

That said, I would still put it under the realm of showing up when the director says, not when you want, or being off-book when you're supposed to, and those sorts of things.  You are an "employee" of the theatre, and work for the director and producer, so to speak.  And like any job, if you don't like your job description, you are quite free to find employment elsewhere. So chatting up the director at day one and getting such things clear is the professional/mature/proper/whatever way to approach it.

Unfortunately, my experience in CT has been that there are a number of rules of etiquette that sadly need review every show, if not every rehearsal, and I have worked at compiling a list of them (adding as needed) and presenting them at auditions with the rehearsal schedule. Now, I suppose one thing I ought to add in there is that we will NOT be doing touchy-feely at any time inside the rehearsal hall (nor smoking or drinking) so you'll need to take care of that on the ride in. Confused

As for pickups, yeah it seems to be the "norm" and it's probably because "everyone else does it".  Not ever sure why, though. After 2-3 months of rehearsal, and a couple shows, if I forgot my lines or blocking in a couple days, I'd also probably be found wandering the streets in dirty clothes with a stubble beard mumbling to myself.  Now, that I could use some help with.
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Being a month away from directing my first show (after many years of acting) this thread has been very interesting to follow as I plan my rehearsal process. I would like to have something that brings the cast together before shows/rehearsals. In a previous show one of the cast members came up with a question of the night for each 'character' to answer. It was a fun way to get people into their characters and have to think about them outside of the lines on the page.
I would also like something to bring the cast together before a show to get focus and energy. I've often seen people who are ready in costume/makeup sitting around the greenroom waiting for the show to start and it seems like the energy gets drained. We don't have to play a "game" but do some kind of movement to keep the good energy going.
My other thought (last one I promise) is that being community theatre there is usually someone in the cast who is new to theatre. So while I may not need something to get me focused for a show, it really is about the cast as a whole and doing what's best for everyone to do the best show possible.
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The "warm-up" type activity I liked the best was simply the cast of the show holding hands in a circle and singing (not songs from the show).  It served as a vocal warm-up, and helped people in the cast who were strangers get more comfortable working together.  Other shows I've been involved in had no warm-ups, or only vocal warm-ups for only those who were singing in the show.  I don't think anyone should be forced to participate in this sort of stuff.  We did a directed "exercise" in HS, working on projection, where one was supposed to throw one's name to the back of the room.  I refused to participate, alas, less than professionally.  I have excellent, not to say excessive projection. 
 
As a director, I think I would avoid the sillier exercises.  Something like singing or chanting as a group does seem to build rapport, and some may not need it, but their participation might help newer actors who feel intimidated by them.  The targeted exercises might be more appropriate if the SM or AD or whoever did them with a group of actors who need to work on that particular skill (projection, enunciation, walking naturally onstage, whatever).
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I agree with Tony.  I have been doing theatre for over 30 years and I have never played any of these games.  I have never even heard of them.  In musicals we vocally warm up...but it is up to each individual to get into their character.  We try to cast the best individuals and it seems we have been very lucky since we never tried any of these games.Tongue
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Here's an interesting way to get people to vocal warm-ups.  We are currently in production for Urinetown.  The second night of the show, the Musical Director changed curtain call during the vocal warm ups, leaving those of us who had skipped the warm up session absolutely clueless as to what the hell was going on after we took our bows.  All of the sudden people were singing a song many of us had never sang.  Those lights could not go out soon enough.  I still won't attend warm ups but at least now I ask what went on.
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I know I may have had enough I've already said on this subject, so I'll try to keep this short (yeah, right).  BUT one of the things I've noticed also is that many times doing musical theater we have a lot of people who are good singers - just not formally trained. And they tend to often "blow it all out" in a warm-up session (for whatever reason). As well SOME music directors WHO ARE NOT VOCAL DIRECTORS or someone qualified to lead singers properly, often demand and force singers to do things they might do better NOT to do even in a minor warm-up session just prior to a show.  I have found in my experience that less is more - just lightly warming up keeping the better singing habits in mind so as to just warm the voice - not heat it up to concert level unless you have the first big number in the show (rarely a solo that starts a show but you never know). And too many times it's about "being heard" when warming up. That's where both singers and music/vocal directors often drop the ball - because they don't control the best qualities of an ensemble or a soloist with an ensemble. SO many things to keep up with. I mean learn lines, blocking, lyrics, melodies, parts AND be able to sing properly using good vocal techniques??  I mean come on - how much are you paying me??  HAHA!! KIDDING!! But for accomplished singers who know what they're doing it's not always a problem - just for those who need vocal nurturing. 
Patrick, as for the change in curtain call songs to punish actors who do not like to warm up in a group (always because it becomes a stinking shouting match) well to me that's bad form too on the director's part - or whomever makes THAT call. NOT good form no matter what.
 
Also meant to mention that with building actor/group rapport since I don't like to do all the superficial foolish exercises - and as a director I always liked to do this.....FEED YOUR CAST.  That is take an evening and either have someone cook (or do it yourself if you can) and feed them or order in (assuming you can budget it or afford it and not break the bank).  EATING A MEAL TOGETHER really gives that impression of family time and goes a long way for bonding.  Although be aware some people DO eat differently than you do for instance!! HAHA!! But it's kind of a revelation to a degree when you do that.  I always enjoyed it when it happened.  Sitting down and breaking bread together will certainly open your eyes to a person in many ways.
 
Okay that's enough now.
 
 
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