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    Posted: 5/05/07 at 10:08pm
OK, I have a kinda odd question, Illinois is about to pass a smoking ban which will effectively ban us from smoking on stage when it's called for in the script. Would leaving out the smoking be the same thing as dropping lines from the script? and if so, doesn't this sort of ban Il theaters from producing plays that include smoking characters? (yeah, yeah, I know you can fake it but it's always really obvious looking)
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bullet Posted: 5/06/07 at 12:17am
There are herb (the legal kind) cigarettes that are available and are allowed under most state non-smoking laws. It usually can't be tabacco smoke....
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bullet Posted: 5/06/07 at 6:13am
Originally posted by eveharrington

OK, I have a kinda odd question, Illinois is about to pass a smoking ban which will effectively ban us from smoking on stage when it's called for in the script. Would leaving out the smoking be the same thing as dropping lines from the script? and if so, doesn't this sort of ban Il theaters from producing plays that include smoking characters? (yeah, yeah, I know you can fake it but it's always really obvious looking)
 
Eve, the way I see it, it's not really that much of a problem. If a play stands or falls on whether or not one of the characters smokes, then it ain't much of a play, (and probably doesn't deserve to be shown, imo).
 
I mean, how many plays do you know that totally rely on a smoking character for their success?
 
And even if there are some, you can get fake cigarettes. Check out this thread.
 
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bullet Posted: 5/06/07 at 8:30am
We have the same issue at our theatre.   There is no smoking allowed anywhere in the building.  We've gotten by on the fake cigarettes quite well and it hasn't been that big of a deal for us.   Our directors and actors seem to be able to come up with ways to mask or minimize the "fakiness" of it.
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bullet Posted: 5/07/07 at 10:58am
The state of California has banned smoking inside public buildings for many years now, and we still continue to do shows with smoking on stage (i.e., "The Graduate"). 
 
We notify our local fire department that we will be doing a show with live flame on stage (we also have to do this when we have fire on stage as well - i.e., "The Laramie Project" with its many lit candles).  The fire department schedules an inspection to make sure all our fire extinguishers are up to date and in working order, we place buckets of sand off stage at each wing, and the Stage Manager is responsible for making sure everyone in the cast and crew know how to operate the fire extinguishers and the placement of all sand buckets. 
 
That's the safety part.  Now for all the many issues people have with second-hand smoke....
 
We purchase herbal cigarettes for the actors to smoke - they also smell a lot better than regular cigarettes, so patrons can also tell immediately that it's not a tobacco cigarette.  We post a large sign in the lobby stating that "non-carcenogenic herbal cigarettes" will be smoked on stage during the production, and we place the same disclaimer in all our programs.  We also make the same concessions for strobe light usage and gun shot (or other loud) sound effects.  Of course, we try and keep the smoking to a minimum.
 
To the best of my knowledge, we have only had one patron complaint.  During "Dancing at Lughnasa", I played Maggie - who smokes.  One of the sisters in the show says, "It's those damned cigarettes that are gonna kill ya."  And one older lady in the front row said - very loudly - "They're killing me too!"  Smile
 
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bullet Posted: 5/07/07 at 2:48pm
From yesterday's Chicago Tribune:
 
A representative for the city's theater community says applying the ban to actors is akin to "telling an artist what color paint he should or shouldn't use."

Actors, he added, will continue to defy the law.

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Kelvy Brown, legislative coordinator for the city's Health Department, said . . . [t]heaters could legally use herbal cigarettes as a props [sic] in performances.
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bullet Posted: 5/07/07 at 6:10pm
 Posted by Kurt Muller:
Eve, the way I see it, it's not really that much of a problem. If a play stands or falls on whether or not one of the characters smokes, then it ain't much of a play, (and probably doesn't deserve to be shown, imo).
 
I mean, how many plays do you know that totally rely on a smoking character for their success?
 
 
Well, there are quite a few plays which are well worth doing in which cigarette smoking is an important or necessary plot or character device.  I cite Dr. Livingstone in "Agnes of God", who chain smokes as an obsession in the first act until she starts obsessing about Agnes in the second act.
 
But, yes, we did use herbal cigarettes and it worked just fine.
 
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bullet Posted: 5/08/07 at 5:26pm

I am using fake cigarettes on stage right now. I got them from Theatre House http://www.theatrehouse.net/. They are the most realistic that I have found. They puff smoke and the ends glow. From 10 feet you can't tell the difference. The problem is the cigarette never gets any smaller. Like BMD said, you  can find a way to make it less obvious. It is working for me.

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bullet Posted: 5/08/07 at 8:08pm

One of the most creative ways I got away with smoking on stage, during a scene a charactor asks for a cigarette, since the actor didn't smoke and was hell bent on not smoking (even herbal), I used some cleaver stagging.  She asks for the cigarette, few lines before she receives it, then she does, she has no lighter, few lines later she receives lighter, then throughout the final lines she attempts to light the cigarette, but has lines everytime she goes to light it.  Never added lines or subtracted lines.  Kept with the script and it looked natural for her to old the cigarette and wait as she speaks never having a chance to light up before the black out.

As it has been said, think outside of the box and use creative staging.  But yes, there are scripts that call for smoking and you have little way around situation.  Only your group can decide what is the right decision to do with it.
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bullet Posted: 5/11/07 at 4:10am
Originally posted by red diva

Well, there are quite a few plays which are well worth doing in which cigarette smoking is an important or necessary plot or character device.  I cite Dr. Livingstone in "Agnes of God", who chain smokes as an obsession in the first act until she starts obsessing about Agnes in the second act.
 
But, yes, we did use herbal cigarettes and it worked just fine.
 
 
Well, Red, I stand corrected. That's one.Wink
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